Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Master DeRose


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Per WP:RELIST, two relistings is the maximum; this is heading for a keep anyway. Stifle (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Master DeRose

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I can find no reliable sources in English for this person. I know that there might be more in Portuguese, but I'm not sure if any of the sources used are reliable. The fact that this is being created on April Fool's Day, being edited by a huge number of brand new editors, gives me pause. At best, this is a BLP concern, at worst, it's a hoax. Woogee (talk) 00:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Add SwáSthya Yôga to this AfD. Woogee (talk) 00:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


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I am one of DeRose Method students, who is helping to create this page. Everything that is written on this page was based on his(Master DeRose) books, written in Portuguese and Spanish. It's very easy to find all the sources that we used to create it. Only need someone that speaks Portuguese or Spanish. Only is not fair allowing putting in English Wiki writers that have books written in English. All the world communicates in English. I am trying to convince that I only put the truth on this page. Regards and I appreciate all your understanding. Pacifici - London —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacifici2010 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Writing the article based on his books is an improper use of sourcing. Please see WP:BLP and WP:RS.  And why, all of a sudden, have so many of his students shown up here?  Is he or someone else recruiting them?  Woogee (talk) 01:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Woogee,
 * I am just trying to speak about someone that I know profoundly for more than 8 years. I have read all of his 25 books(some sold out) and did tens of workshop in several countries. I did't copy nothing from his books, I only based on them. There is no more trustful source than books. Do you agree?
 * Please, any question that you want to know I'd love to answer, such as any source that you wish to know. By the way, what about "someone else recruiting them?" that is very offensive, and doesn't make any sense.
 * If you haven't found yet, there is more than 200 schools abroad the world that use his Method. As Pilates schools, for exemple.
 * Regards,Pacifici —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacifici2010 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)  --Pacifici2010 (talk) 01:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Books written by the subject are not reliable. Anybody can write anything they want.  Woogee (talk) 01:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

This is not an April fools joke. All master derose books are available online for fee at uni-yoga.com if you would like to see them in case they don't sell them in your countey. As for books bou being reliable, if they are not then what is? Thee are also links to various reowned Brazilian established television stations that have carried out inteviews on master DeRose. If you see on the the wiki there is also a link in the acclaim section where you can see all the awards, and recognitions master DeRose has been awarded by the Brazilian govenment. He is an extreamly important persob and only because all information regarding Him is in Spanish or portugese not many prole know about him in the Anglo Saxon world and we believe this should change. The reason so many people have probably added to his new English page is because they are happy to share and spread knowledge about him, as he has thousands students in various DeRose method schools thoughhout the world. I would strongly suggest you get someone that speaks portugese or Spanish to watch the inteviews and learn a bit about master DeRose before taking any steps to erase this wiki, which is all 100% truth and a biography of maybe one of the great thinkers of our time at the level of Nelson mandela, but whom is unknown for a great part of the world only because of the barriers of language. Andrea Mandiola —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.186.28.196 (talk) 11:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I saw a request for a Portuguese editor and offered to help. However, I have no idea how to report on my 'findings'. I have posted a brief summary on the talk page of the user who posted the request. --Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 11:23, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Ordem do Mérito das Índias Orientais certifies the truthfullness of the statements below, published on Wikipedia about writer and educator DeRose. Ordem do Mérito das Índi--OrdemMeritoIndiasOrientais (talk) 16:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)as Orientais is a not-for-profit, non-political, non-religious cultural institution that was officially created in 2008, in the city of Penafiel, Portugal, with the purpose of: - acknowledging public recognition to various individuals and institutions with outstanding contribution in the national and foreign cultural, social and philantropic areas; - promoting India's ancient cultural and philosophical inheritance; - establishing relevant links within the India-Brazil-Portugal cultural circuit; All these actions are publically and officialy marked by the attribution of honorary medals and decorations, and by the organization of several cultural events. The foundation act of this institution was honoured by the presence and the official support of the Portuguese Ministry of Culture, the Health Services Secretary of State, Dr. Manuel Pizarro, the Júlio Resende Foundation (Júlio Resende is a woldwide renowned Portuguese painter) and the Mayor of the city of Penafiel, Dr. Alberto Santos. Among the events put forward by Ordem do Mérito das Índias Orientais as a tribute to DeRose, we would like to mention two in particular: DeRose Culture and DeRose Gala, two annual events made in Portugal, consisting of a series of cultural events, including exhibitions and artistic performances related to ancient India’s culture and philosophy. The 2008 edition of the DeRose Gala featured an Exhibition/Installation based on one of DeRose’s books (Sútras – Máximas de Lucidez e Êxtase) – see the vídeo presentation at: http://www.memoriamedia.net/dossiers/sutras_imagens/dossier_expo/sutras_expo.html. The Exhibition which took place at the Museu Municipal de Penafiel, which was officially nominated for the EMYA 2010 (European Museum of the Year Award), which awards each year the museums that significantly contribute to cultural development on their specific area of expertise and to European cultural exchange. These year’s editions will be specially dedicated to celebrating DeRose’s Golden Jubilee. This way we will be marking the 50 year mastership of this worldwide renowned writer, educator and philosopher with a special tribute during the DeRose Gala 2010, for which several institutions and individuals were invited. Already for DeRose’s 25 year mastership celebration a commemorative medal was released in Portugal to mark that significant date. These events welcome yearly some of the biggest international authorities on Ancient Yôga and also a few hundred participants coming from Portugal, Brazil, Spain, France, Italy, United Kingdom and Germany.

As per our official invitation, DeRose joined Ordem do Mérito das Índias Orientais as Grand Master, which very much honours this institution. In that post he awarded several individuals in 2008 and 2009, such as: - Júlio Resende (worldwide renowned painter) and the Júlio Resende Foundation - Journalist and writer António Mateus - Dr. Manuel Pizarro (Health Services Secretary of State, member of the Portuguese Republic’s government) - Prof. Giuseppe Mea (representative of the Italian community in Portugal). As referred in DeRose’s Historic, between years 2001 and 2002 he was acknowledged as Master in Yôga and Honoris Causa doctorate (Notorious knowledge in Yôga / non-academic) by Universidade Lusófona de Lisboa and by Universidade do Porto (Portugal).

The prestige he has gathered throughout the years for his honest and anti-commercial posture has found an echo in the international media and is materialized by the cultural support of various official institutions, like the Indian Embassy in Brazil and Portugal.

One of the most recent interviews to DeRose was made in 2009 by Portuguese journalist and writer António Mateus*. It was released on a DVD entitled “Conversas com Rumo”. The following caption languages are currently available: spanish, german, italian, The english version will soon be released (http://www.uni-yoga.org/entrevista_derose_tv.php). Also in April 2009 DeRose was interviewed by Portuguese State TV Channel TV2. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqHVm2u1T6I). On May 2007 he was the special guest of Portuguese TV show “Páginas Soltas”, hosted by Bárbara Guimarães http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0pEOayeCc).


 * António Mateus started his career as a reporter in the O Globo newspaper, in 1982. He worked in the News Agencies NP and Lusa and he headed both their delegations in Maputo and Johanesburg from 1986 to 2003. He collaborated several times with BBC, Voice of America, Portuguese radio broadcast station RDP, Visão and Expresso (two of the most relevant Portuguese magazines and newspapers). He worked for the three Portuguese TV channels before joining RTP’s board (the public TV channel) in 1996, as Information and Program Coordinator of RTP Africa. He was the first Communication Advisor for CPLP (Community of Portuguese Speaking Countries), Managing Director-founder of Focus magazine, RTP’s International Politics Editor and, as of today, Editor for two major TV news shows, Telejornal and Jornal 2. During the 16 years he spent in southern Africa as a reporter, he ensured daily coverage of the developments on Angola and Mozambique’s civil wars and the subsequent peace endeavors. He also closely accompanied and reported all the negotiations for the Cuban withdrawal from Angola, Namibia’s independence process and the end of apartheid in South Africa, among several other relevant media issues. While he worked as a news correspondent in South Africa, he interviewed tens of world notorious individuals, like the Nobel prize awarded Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu and Frederik de Klerk. He closely accompanied the first six years of Nelson Mandela’s life after being released from captivity. These experiences were the starting point for António Mateus’ two books: "Homens vestidos de Peles Diferentes" (Ulmeiro) e "Selva Urbana" (Colibri). For more information on writer and journalist António Mateus: http://selvaurbana.blogs.sapo.pt. The above text is the short English version of his profile, taken from the blog.

Ten of DeRose’s 25 literary works were published in Portugal: Tudo sobre Yôga Origens do Yôga Antigo Mitos e Verdades Encontro com o Mestre Eu me lembro… Alternativas de relacionamento afectivo Chakras e kundaliní Sútras – Máximas de Lucidez e Êxtase Quando é preciso ser forte and Tratado de Yôga (in Sanskrit: Yôga Shástra), the world’s most comprehensive book on Yôga ever published, in the whole history of Yôga. It comprises 58 breathing exercises, 32 mantras, 27 kriyás, 52 concentration and meditation exercises, 108 mudrás and their correspondant pictures, and over 2.000 physical techniques (ásanas) and their correspondant photos. This book is a classic. It teaches a peculiar, far reaching subject, which is treated in an accurate and elegant language, as never seen before in this publishing field. DeRose’s Tratado deYôga is a canonical masterpiece when it comes to dealing with the millenary philosophy of Yôga. DeRose has been researching and teaching for 50 years, in a continuous struggle to rescue the Ancient Yôga’s true essence, without ever giving way to modern trends that tend to simplify, adapt, westernize or mix this noble cultural inheritance with other proposals. This masterpiece was made with over 200 collaborations, improvements and additions. We replaced the two thousand, one hundred and sixteen ásanas photo file by a new one with higher definition, we inserted more varied photos, we revised the text, we added footnotes, we included more information and instructions wherever there was available space. We enhanced a few paragraphs, we ameliorated some of the test replies, we updated the recommended bibliography, as well as the History of Yôga in Brazil, we chiseled some of the pages’ layout in order to make them more didactical or more aesthetic, we perfected the cover so as to make it more elegant and the title clearer, and, finally, we couldn’t help adding 30 new pages. Tratado de Yôga has been commended by the Chairman of the Yôga Federation of India, M. S. Viswanath, who stated: “This book is the monumental contribution to this century’s Yôga and the most priceless gift to the forthcoming’s one”. The book includes also the statements of several Ambassadors of India in Brazil and Portugal, together with the cultural support of those Embassies. For more information on Tratado de Yôga: http://www.tratadodeyoga.com

For more information on Ordem do Mérito das Índias Orientais: http://www.ordemmeritoindiasorientais.eu http://www.ordemmeritoindiasorientais.eu/doc/

For more information on writer, educator and philosopher DeRose: www.uni-yoga.org www.uni-yoga.org/blogdoderose www.uni-yoga.org/blogdoderose/comendas-e-condecoracoes/

With our most respectful salutations

Luís Lopes

Presidente da Ordem do Mérito das Índias Orientais

DeRose’s Historic and Trajectory

DeRose is an Honoris Causa Doctorate, Notorious Knowledge, Commendation-awarded by several cultural and humanitarian institutions, Counsellor of the Order of Parliament Members of Brazil, Counsellor of the Brazilian Art, Culture and History Academy and Counsellor of the Latin-American Art Academy. He has accomplished 50 years as an educator, of which 24 years were spent travelling to India. During his journeys he attended countless schools, monasteries and other cultural institutions, and in all of them he endeavored to master his knowledge on hindu philosophy. Here is a brief overview of his career trajectory:

1960: He began teaching in a respectful philosophical society.

1964: He founded the Instituto Brasileiro de Yôga.

1969: He published his first book (Prontuário de Yôga Antigo), which was belauded by Ravi Shankar himself, by Master Chiang Sing and by other reputed authorities.

1975: Already consecrated as a truthful teacher, he raised the necessary support to found União Nacional de Yôga (Uni-Yôga), the first institution to congregate teachers and schools of all types of Yôga, without discrimination. It was União Nacional de Yôga who started the union, ethics and mutual respect movement among the professionals in that teaching area. Since then, the institution has grown widely and today has hundreds of schools in just about the whole of Brazil, and teachers in Argentina, Chile, Portugal, Spain, France, United Kingdom, Scotland, Germany, Italy, Hawai, Indonesia, Canada, U.S.A., Australia and other countries.

1978: He led the campaign to create and promote the first bill to regulate the Yôga teacher professional status, which set in motion a few heated and lively debates across the country. From the 70s on, he introduced the University Extension Courses to form Yôga teachers in almost all Federal, State and Catholic Universities.

1980: He started administering courses in Indian territory and giving classes to Yôga teachers in Europe.

1982: He put together and conducted the First Brazilian Yôga Congress. Still in 82 he released the first teacher-orientation book, the Guia do Instrutor de Yôga, and the first translation of Pátañjali’s Yôga Sútra ever made by a Brazilian Yôga teacher. Yôga Sútra is the most relevant book on Classic Yôga.

Unfortunately, the more Prof. DeRose stood out, the more he became the target of a merciless persecution made by those who felt harmed by his clarification campaign.

1994: When accomplishing 20 years of travelling to India, he founded the First Yôga University of Brazil and the International Yôga University in Portugal.

1997: He launched the foundations of the Federal Yôga Council and the National Union of Yôga Teaching Professionals.

2000: He celebrated his 40th anniversary as a reputed Yôga teacher and researcher. In the subsequent years, as follows, he was awarded many honorary titles by several cultural and humanitarian institutions.

2001 and 2002: Master in Yôga and Honoris Causa doctorate (Notorious knowledge in Yôga / non-academic) by FATEA – Faculdades Integradas Teresa d’Ávila (SP), by Universidade Lusófona de Lisboa (Portugal), by Universidade do Porto (Portugal), by Universidade de Cruz Alta (RS), by Universidade Estácio de Sá (MG), by Faculdades Integradas Coração de Jesus (SP) and by the Curitiba City Hall (PR). Commendation of the Ordem do Mérito de Educação e Integração by the Sociedade Brasileira de Educação e Integração.

2003: Commendation award by the Brazilian Academy of Art, Culture and History.

2004: Knight’s degree, by the Ordem dos Nobres Cavaleiros de São Paulo, acknowledged by the Commander-in-Chief of the Nineth of July Cavalry Regiment, of the São Paulo State Military Police.

2006: Tiradentes Medal by the Legislative Assembly of the Rio de Janeiro State. Peace Medal, by ONU Brazil. Honoris Causa doctorate by the Câmara Brasileira de Cultura, by Universidade Livre da Potencialidade Humana and by several other cultural institutions. Historical and Cultural Merit Diploma (Grand Officer degree). He was also appointed as Counsellor of the Order of Parliament Members of Brazil.

2007: Honorary Associate Member of the Rotary Club.

Paul Harris’ Medal of the Rotary Foundation (Rotary International). International Medal of the United Nations and American States Veterans. Academic Cross by the Federação das Academias de Letras e Artes do Estado de São Paulo “for meritory and uplifting actions on behalf of the Nation’s development”. 30th January: Moção de Votos de Júbilo e Congratulações by the São Paulo City Hall (RDS 3059/2006). 27th March: Voto de Louvor e Congratulações by the Paraná State Legislative Assembly “for relevant services rendered”. December: Marshal Falconière’s Medal.

2008: Láurea D. João VI, included in the celebration of the 200 years of the Harbour Opening. 18th February (considered as Yôga Day by state law in thirteen Brazilian states) Title of São Paulo’s Citizen, by the São Paulo City Hall. March: Omnium Horarum Homo Diploma of the Civil Defense, attributed by the governor of the São Paulo State, José Serra, “for his commitment towards the humanitarian cause”. Peace Cross of the II World War Veterans. Merit Medal of the Brazilian Expeditionary Corps. MMDC Medal by the Commander in Chief of the São Paulo State’s Military Police. Medal of the Bicentenary of the Independence Dragons of the Brazilian Army. Union’s Military Justice Medal. November 2008: Appointed Grand Master of the Ordem do Mérito das Índias Orientais, Portugal. Appointed as Cultural Attaché of the Université de Yôga de Paris, France. 2nd December: Medal attributed by the São Paulo Press Association, in view of his initiatives in social and humanitarian causes. 4th December: Sentinelas da Paz Medal, by the UNO Blue Berret Corps from Joinville, Santa Catarina. 5th December: Social and Cultural Recognition Cross, at the São Paulo City Hall. 9th December: Military House Medal, by the Civil Defense, at the Government Palace, in view of his participation in the various Clothing Campaigns organized by the São Paulo State and for his

assistance in gathering resources to help the homeless after the Santa Catarina tragedy. 22nd December: an additional Recognition Diploma of the Civil Defense, at the Government Palace.

2009: January: Diploma of the Amigo da Base de Administração e Apoio do Ibirapuera, of the Brazilian Army. D. João VI Collar, by the Judicial Power, Military Justice. Attestato di Riconoscimento, by the Accademia del Fiorino di Arti, Lettere, Scienze, Lavoro e Spetaccolo, Italy. Marshal Deodoro da Fonseca’s Collar, by the Brazilian government, on the occasion of the celebration of the 120 years of the Brazilian Republic and national flag implementation. Medal by the Ordem dos Advogados do Brasil. Emeritus Federal Counsellor Diploma, Brazilian government award Grand-Collar by the Sociedade Brasileira de Heráldica, on the occasion of DeRose’s 50 year mastership.

DeRose’ anniversary date, 18th February, was adopted by thirteen Brazilian states and established, by state law, as Yôga Day. Those states are: São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Paraná, Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul, Minas Gerais, Bahia, Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul, Pará, Goiás, Piauí, Ceará, and also the Federal District.

Currently, writer and philosopher DeRose celebrates his 25 book publishing, in several countries and with over one million copies sold. His anti-commercialist posture has attained something never before accomplished by an author with their editor: the liberty to allow free internet download of several of his books in Portuguese, Spanish, German and Italian, free of charge MP3 of his Yôga practice CDs and tens of webclasses, also for free, at the Uni-Yôga site: www.Uni-Yoga.org, which doesn’t sell anything whatsoever. All of these were historical precedents, which made DeRose the most quoted and, undoubtedly, the most important Brazilian Master of Yôga, for the tireless energy he uses in promoting Yôga for the last 50 years, in books, newspapers, magazines, radio, television, conferences, courses, trips and new teachers’ training. He has formed over 6.000 good Yôga teachers and has helped create thousands of Yôga centres, professional associations, Yôga Federations, Confederations and Unions. As of today, his work has spread throughout Argentina, Chile, Portugal, Spain, France, United Kingdom, Scotland, Germany, Italy, Hawai, Indonesia, U.S.A., Canada, Australia, etc. DeRose is supported by an expressive number of cultural, academic, humanitarian, military and governmental institutions, who recognize the value of his work and made him the world’s most decorated Master of Yôga with medals, titles and commendations. Notwithstanding, he always states:

“The honors I am awarded from time to time by the Brazilian Army, the Legislative Assembly, the State government, the City Hall, the Military Police, the Civil Defense, the São Paulo Press Association, the Rotary, the Brazilian Chamber of Culture, the Order of the Parliament Members

of Brazil and by other cultural and humanitarian institutions, are demonstrations of the respect paid by society to Yôga and to all professionals in this area. So being, it is my wish to share with you the merit of this recognition. Publicizing these tributes and commendations is not justified by personal vanity. It is a good thing that these award solemnities take place, because the public opinion, our teachers, our students and their relatives understand that there are strong and credible institutions that support us and that acknowledge the value of the work we have been carrying out on behalf of youth, the nation and mankind”.

You can see the institutional site here: ['www.MetodoDeRose.org'] And one site in ennglish: [www.derosemethod.us] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.62.121 (talk) 10:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I accept these tributes, because they do not serve to inflate one’s ego, but their purpose is the recognition of Yôga by society and by the institutions. It is Yôga which is being commended”. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OrdemMeritoIndiasOrientais (talk • contribs) 15:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Dear wiki

I have known Prof. DeRose's work for 18 years now, and I can clearly state that Professor DeRose is one of the most serious educators and Masters of Yoga, his work leading the area in several countries. All of his bibliography is hyper-linked (although not in English) and they prove his good reputation In my point of view, it will be very important to have his work in English language, as every country should get accesses to his work, as I think is a amazing contribution for man kind. Kind regards Gustavo Cardoso Well-being consultor —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gustavo321 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - It doesn't matter how many testimonials we receive here, if there are no independent reliable sources in English, then we cannot have an article in the English Wikipedia. It is perfectly possible to have a subject which has a Featured Article in one language and no notability in another. (Granted, some wikipedias where there is very little literature in the given language need to accept references in other languages, but that is not an issue for en). Also, if kept, the article would need to move to Luís DeRose, since titles are not included in article names. dramatic (talk) 18:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The language of sources shouldn't be an issue at all. It must be verifiable that they are reliable, though. Nageh (talk) 09:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep This guy is really well-known in Brazil and there is plenty of sources atesting to his notability. I agree with Dramatic that the article need to move to Luís DeRose. Another possibility here is to recast the article to Method DeRose, the method he created and which has become the most popular Yoga method in Brazil. Lechatjaune (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide some sources? --Ronz (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, there is a good source at http://www.uni-yoga.org/blogdoderose, then in an interview in youtube . Thank you. Dcambria (talk) 04:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ronz, I am not a practitioner of yoga, I have no personal interest at all in keeping this article and I deprecate the use of Wikipedia for promotion or posting of partial information. But I'm a brazilian myself and I must recognize the enormous comercial success of DeRose. The article itself brings some links to Estadão, which is a well-established brazilian newspaper. Lechatjaune (talk) 13:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete/stub While we have testimonials and assertions of notability, the article would need a complete rewrite from sources meeting WP:BIO criteria once they are provided. --Ronz (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 20:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep In Argentina he is also very well known. Here's a link to a site with many news articles about he's work. Also many states of Brazil have declared DeRose's birthday as "Day of Yôga". This is definetly proof of notability. He has also been very present in the media. On top of these Van Lysbeth includes DeRose's book in his bibliography on one of his latest books(I'll come back later with the exact information). These should also validate it's notability. --Dwaynemac (talk) 23:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℳøℕø 06:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Leaning keep. Although it's still early to tell, I think we shouldn't delete this article prematurely. What is strongly required though is references outside(!) of DeRose's circle, such as media coverage etc., that verifies his notability. Nageh (talk) 09:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC) PS: But yeah, this article would need to be moved to his real name. Nageh (talk) 09:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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