Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Master of the Death of the Virgin (painter)


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The result was redirect to Joos van Cleve. Consensus to cover this topic at van Cleve's article, since most scholarship identifies them as the same person. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  10:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Master of the Death of the Virgin (painter)

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one source, irrelevant, probably not correct name 777burger (LET'S TALK) 05:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * If you believe the Britannica article, redirect to Joos van Cleve, for whom this "Master" was supposedly a provisional name. Mangoe (talk) 05:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the scholarship is inconclusive on who he was, so redirect is not appropriate. Seeing as we are talking about someone who worked 500 years ago, people have been writing about him (or her?) for centuries, so it was not hard to add a half dozen sources, some of which go into significant detial that could be used to expand the article. One of these is a painter's dictionary, so s/he meets WP:ANYBIO. There appear to be lots of sources out there. Possibly (talk) 05:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect I'm open to redirecting it to Joos van Cleve. It is all but certain that the Master of the Death of the Virgin is Joos van Cleve. The Cologne painting has been attributed in 1894. Viardot, in 1877, still attributes an Adoration of the kings in the Dresden to the Master of the Death of the Virgin, but that painting is now also attributed to van Cleve. See https://skd-online-collection.skd.museum/Details/Index/243322 Vexations (talk) 12:03, 3 January 2021 (UTC) (expand) the other painting attributed to Master of the Death of the Virgin by Viardot is the crucifixtion in Naples. That would be this painting], which is now also attributed to van Cleve. I'm not sure if there's anything else that is still unattributed or now attributed to someone else. Vexations (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Joos van Cleve but keeping an account of the "master" there. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect The article Joos van Cleve already discusses the Master of the Death of the Virgin and the attributions of those paintings. Newer scholarship (since 1894!) merges the two identities. Curiocurio (talk) 15:50, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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