Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Masters of Destruction (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Masters of Destruction
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This is about a Hmong street gang in the United States. The article says it has an estimated membership of 100-500. It was discussed here two years ago and survived with no consensus. The article remains a bare stub. We don't seem to have notability standards for street gangs. However the usual standards for organizations can apply, which this gang does not appear to meet. While it has been mentioned in police reports and a book on the Hmong in America, it does not appear to have been subject of a profile, or other evidence of encyclopedic notability. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, the subject lacks requisite non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications. JBsupreme (talk) 01:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I agree with nominator and JB; there seems to be no coverage, not enough for an article anyway. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete- no coverage beyond the odd passing mention here and there. This is not enough to justify an article. Reyk  YO!  04:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, without prejudice. Reliable sources are especially needful in articles about street gangs, because the subject attracts both fear-mongering and swagger.  A passing mention among a list of gangs in a single book may constitute a reliable source for the gang's existence.  But with just that, it's never going to say anything more than "there's a gang with this name, and its members are Hmongs."  - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


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