Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matalena Daniells


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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against renomination. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Matalena Daniells

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Most sources are trivial. is fully of quotes and cannot count towards GNG and seems to be a reasonable source, but one source falls well short of both GNG and SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero  Parlez Moi 13:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football,  and Oceania. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - there's more than enough here to meet GNG - there the Queensland College of Teachers, Pasifika Sisters, GameDay and 2019 Samoa Observer articles all contain significant, non-routine information. --IdiotSavant (talk) 04:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've now added more sources from Gale OneFile, expanding the coverage of team selections to more than just team lists. Again, there's plenty here. IdiotSavant (talk) 11:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Of your list above, all but the Samoa Observer articles fail independence or are not RS, while the SO articles only have trivial, routine mentions. None of those count towards GNG. Can you share what is in the Gale media? JoelleJay (talk) 02:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - agree with IS that there is sufficient coverage to demonstrate notability. GiantSnowman 14:02, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Also, she was captain of the Samoa national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG. Queensland College of Teachers isn't independent as Daniells was nominated for one of their awards. Pasifika Sisters is a blog and of dubious reliability. Samoa Observer contains a few lines on her. Gameday - "This story originally appeared on the official Olympic FC website" meaning it isn't independent of her. Dougal18 (talk) 10:50, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - Sustained non-routine coverage in independent reliable sources, as we would expect for an international football captain. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, leaning delete per Dougal18. I've removed the blog source as those are never, ever allowed on BLPs. Despite the ref bombing, I still haven't seen any independent SIGCOV of this person.

1. FB Ref: stats page, ❌ 2. Queensland College of Teachers finalist announcement: not independent, ❌ 3. Samoa Observer 1: routine match recap (and non-grammatical title doesn't give much confidence in quality), ❌ 4. MyGameday reprint of press release: not independent, ❌ 5. Westside News article on Queensland teaching award: cannot access, but unlikely to contain independent SIGCOV, 6. Innisfail Advocate 1: cannot access, but presumably a match recap so unlikely to have SIGCOV, 7. Innisfail Advocate 2: cannot access, appears to be award announcement, 8. Samoa Observer 2: almost entirely quotes, no SIGCOV and not independent, ❌ 9. Moreton Bay United: club website, not independent, ❌ 10. Football Queensland: governing sports org website, not independent, ❌ 11. Loop Samoa 1: single independent sentence mentioning her, no SIGCOV, ❌ 12. Stuff.nz: passing mention, no SIGCOV, ❌ 13. Solomon Star: routine match recap, passing mentions, ❌ 14. Pine Rivers Press 1: cannot access, 15. Innisfail Advocate 3: cannot access, but presumably transactional report on Daniells playing for Samoa, unlikely to have independent SIGCOV, 16. Loop Samoa 2: named in a list of players, no SIGCOV, ❌ 17. Pine Rivers Press 2: cannot access, 18. Loop Samoa 3: named in a list of players, no SIGCOV, ❌ 19. Pine Rivers Press 3: cannot access,

Can someone with Gale access describe the newspaper articles that cover her? JoelleJay (talk) 02:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * @JoelleJay:
 * Ref 5: Passing mention (Centenary State High's Matalena Daniells, a former Samoa Women's National Football Team captain, made it to the finals after inspiring students to excel and participate in sport.)
 * Ref 6: Passing mention (However we have also been very fortunate to have an influx of young and energetic players come into the team, Matalena Daniells..)
 * Ref 7: Award announcement for a "Pierre De Coubertin Award"
 * Ref 14: Brief interview, almost all verbal quotes from subject
 * Ref 15: Announcement about being named in the Samoan team for the Oceania Football Confederation (OFC) Women's Nations Cup, with some brief interview quotes
 * Ref 17: Like ref 14
 * Ref 19: Report on her captaincy during the Pacific Games (MATALENA Daniells, the Moreton Bay United Jets defender, has led Samoa to its first medal in the Pacific Games.) More than a passing mention and mentions her brother, but a very short article.
 * Very few actually describe her in any detail, although I tend to consider that if a media outlet wants to interview someone, there has to be some noteworthy reason to do so. Ref 5 and 6 are definitely not sigcov. Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! It doesn't look like there's sufficient independent coverage to support an article. I don't think being interviewed is a great indicator of potential notability, either, especially when it's in local press. And if even local sources aren't discussing her in detail, I think that's decent evidence she is not notable. JoelleJay (talk) 21:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above. JoelleJay (talk) 21:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per JoelleJay's source analysis. Article lacks evidence of SIGCOV as required by NSPORTS and GNG. –dlthewave ☎ 03:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep One significant references falls far short? That's a bit of an exaggeration. Gale access is available through Wikipedia Library to everyone. I've only pulled Reference 15; a 10-paragraph article is more than an ammouncement - meets GNG. Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment GNG needs multiple sources. Seven of those paragraphs in ref 15 are quotes or have no info on her. Dougal18 (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


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