Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mater (Cars)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 11:21, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Mater (Cars)

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There isn't WP:SIGCOV for this topic. This article is sourced to unreliable sources such as blogs, or promotional sources affiliated with the subject. WP:BEFORE only revealed brief coverage that does not support a stand-alone Wikipedia article. Jontesta (talk) 03:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting. We just went through this debate with Sally Carrera, another Cars character, a week or so ago. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:11, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 03:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Not sure what was used in the WP:BEFORE search: I searched for "Tow Mater" in Google Scholar, and I got 3 pages of discussion of Mater's accent in Stigmatized on Screen: How Hollywood Portrays Nonstandard Dialects. There is also significant coverage in academic work regarding the way Mater is dubbed in French (Colleen Montgomery, "Double Doublage: Vocal Performance in the French-Dubbed Versions of Pixar’s Toy Story and Cars," in Locating the Voice in Film: Critical Approaches and Global Practices, Oxford University Press, 2017) and Italian (Vincenza Minutella, (Re)Creating Language Identities in Animated Films: Dubbing Linguistic Variation). So, the subject passes WP:GNG. StAnselm (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @StAnselm Good finds, I can confirm the first source meets (my subjective view of) SIGCOV, i.e. I see 2+ paragraphs with some analysis that goes beyond plot summary. I am not sure about the other two, which are about paragraph long if not shorter (few sentences within a larger paragrph). As such, I call borderline for now and abstain from the vote vote while I think more. However, I'd oppose hard deletion here, a redirect to List of Cars characters is the most deletionist view I would support (particularly if nobody bothers to expand this). If the analysis Anseim found above is added, then of course this would be merge at minimum if not weak keep. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep NYT, OC Register, AJC … and that’s not even leaving the first page of Google News findings when I add “larry” (as in, Larry the Cable Guy) to the search term. Jclemens (talk) 05:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of Cars characters. Move the Characterization and other real-world content into the list, and trim the plot summary. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  18:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of Cars characters, you can spout sources until you are blue in the face but if they are all trivial coverage, the subject should not have a standalone article. Obviously, it should not be hard deleted as the major character in a major franchise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There are six sources listed in the AfD; three each from StAnselm and myself. Which five (or six) do you believe constitute trivial coverage? Jclemens (talk) 19:40, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Jclemns' sources, seems to be sufficient for an article. DecafPotato (talk) 07:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Clarification: Sally Carrera was deleted via PROD and restored. Jclemens (talk) 06:58, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, I handled the deletion and restoration. Maybe I should have been more specific. Liz Read! Talk! 03:29, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: Per the sources StAnselm and Jclemens has provided. This source may also be of some use. MoonJet (talk) 06:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.