Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mateusz Skutnik (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:55, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Mateusz Skutnik
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Fails WP:BIO. There are plenty of sources, but they're all primary/self-published, JayIsGames references (which per WP:VG/S cannot be used to demonstrate notability), or "awards" from spammy, unreliable gaming/tech sites. The single almost reliable source—GeeDisplay—is spun as a "Game of the Month" award but it's actually a single-paragraph trivial mention in that month's issue. Note that none of these sources are actually about the subject, Mateusz Skutnik. Woodroar (talk) 01:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk</b>) 02:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete (or one-line Stub it). Jay Is Games is apparently notable for Wikipedia, but that review site for games provides sources for only very little text in the article. The other refs, again backing very little, are 'dead' or 'fail', or are Skutnik self-referencing. I can see no multiple cites from serious, independent publications reviewing his life and work, in fact none at all. This is a classic case of allowing what is basically only a one-line stub, if that, to survive, with a loads of subsequent stuff and lists uncited to any sources added-in on its back. The article is basically this: Mateusz J. Skutnik is a Polish graphic artist and game developer. He won awards for flash game design in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2012.[add in here the Jay Is Games cites] Is that enough for a Wikipedia encyclopedia?.. I don't think so, but others might. Acabashi (talk) 09:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem with Jay Is Games is that it's Jay Bibby—the epoynymous "Jay" and a former writer at Joystik magazine—plus a bunch of pseudonymous writers with no background in games journalism or reputation for reliability. Our own sourcing guidelines at WP:VG/S specifically say that "[u]se of this site should be restricted to casual games and only if the review is written by Jay Bibby. This site cannot be used to demonstrate notability." These aren't reviews (or even awards) given by Jay Bibby, but are voted on by the pseudonymous writing team and as pay-per-vote by the readers. So they're not reputable awards by any stretch of the imagination. Woodroar (talk) 12:49, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Point taken. Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 13:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I really love Skutnik's games. I have spent so many hours playing Submachine which is a brilliant series of games, and so this feels a tad disloyal, but I just can't find any sources. I looked at the Polish WP article but couldn't find anything useful there, either. If the article is kept, it needs to be cut down in any case. The long lists of games - especially the games he didn't even produce - are out of place. --bonadea contributions talk 20:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)


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