Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mathi Mathi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Obvious keep. Ethnic groups are pretty much guaranteed notable. I really don't understand the proposers deletion rationale, unless it was to imply that they might not actually exist, in which case WP:BEFORE would easily have settled that. SpinningSpark 19:39, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Mathi Mathi

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Lots of name dropping but absolutely no evidence. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Muthi Muthi mentioned in this journal:-

Dening, Greg Journal Article, Aug 1999 - Subject : Muthi Muthi & Barkindji peoples Summerdrought (talk) 03:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Mathi Mathi mentioned in this book:-

The Story of Burke and Wills:Forgotten Narratives

These two sources seem to confirm the content of the article Summerdrought (talk) 05:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Additional online reference. Summerdrought (talk) 07:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * National Native Title Tribunal (Australia). Research Unit


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 00:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, based on references above, which would indicate this is a legitimate grouping. It pays to be really careful on these sort of articles, especially as often the spelling of these groups in English is not consistent, which can foil Google searches.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:22, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
 * Keep, agree with the comment above. The National Native Title Tribunal reference also has examples of spelling differences as mentioned in the Wikipedia article. Summerdrought (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep for the reasons given above. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  20:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The following references relate to the Mathi Mathi Aboriginal Tribe of Australia:

Penney, J. 2005. Edwards, Agnes (1873–1928) Australian Dictionary of Biography, Supplementary Volume, (MUP). Kijas, J. 2003. Women and Landscape: NSW Western Parks Project. An Historical Study of Women and Outback Landscapes for the Cultural Heritage Division of NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service. Douglas, K. 1996. Land Systems and Stratigraphy of Lake Mulurulu: Examination of Quaternary Palaeoenvironments. unpublished Honours Thesis. University of Melbourne. Hardy, B. 1969 West of the Darling, Jacaranda Press. Jamieson, H. 1861 First Report to the Central Board appointed to watch over the interests of the Aborigines in the colony of Victoria. McBride, I. 2003. Australian Aboriginal Studies Volume 2. Bowler, J. 2003. ‘Tribal loyalties’: reconnecting with the land A tribute to Mrs Alice Kelly, 1919–2003 Aboriginal History Volume 27 Meehan, B. 1972. The Form, Distribution and Antiquity of Australian Aboriginal Mortuary Practices. University of Sydney. unpublished Honours Thesis. Pressey, R. 1990. Willandra Lakes World Heritage Region Regional Environmental Study. Sydney: NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service. Sue Jackson, Brad Moggridge and Cathy Robinson. June 2010. Effects of changes in water availability on Indigenous people of the Murray-Darling Basin: a scoping study. CSIRO. Williams, D. 1991. The Case of the Shattered Stones: An Analysis of Three Aboriginal Quarry/Reduction Sites from the Willandra Lakes World Heritage Area, South Western New South Wales. unpublished Honours Thesis. Australian National University. Lawrence, H. Mungo Over Millennia: The Willandra Landscape and its People. Maygog Publishing. Hobart, Australia. Mutthi Mutthi Nations 2007.Handback Leaseback Proposal for Yanga National Park. National Water Commission 2014. A Review of Indigenous Involvement in Water Planning, 2013. Canberra Aboriginal People and Squatters Mineral Sands Developments in the NSW Portion of the Murray Basin A Trip on the Rivers - There and Back Again - Part III NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service 2006. Mungo National Park Plan of Management. Department of Environment and Conservation (NSW). Commonwealth of Australia 2009 Gazette No. GN 36, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 Proud Race 2014 Eva-Joe Edwards Yingadi Aboriginal Corporation. The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931) Wednesday 28 December 1910 Humphries, P. 2007. Historical Indigenous use of aquatic resources in Australia’s Murray-Darling Basin, and its implications for river management. Ecological Management and Restoration 8:2 pp.106-113 National Parks and Wildlife Service 2010 Mungo 1788-1901 NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service National Parks and Wildlife Service 2010 Mungo 1901-1967 NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service National Parks and Wildlife Service 2010 Mungo 1967> NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service Cunningham 1817. Unpublishd Private Journal. Botanist to Oxley’s First Expedition to the Interior. Oxley, J. J. 1820. Journals of Two Expeditions into the Interior of New South Wales, by order of the British Government in the years 1817-18 – Part I. London. Mitchell, T L: 1838. Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia. Vols 1 & 2

I would therefore suggest this is a legitimate subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.116.12.176 (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

References to the people mentioned in the article: Chaise Eade- www.deadlyvibe.com.au/2013/06/author-chaise-eades-second-novel/ and http://bookstore.xlibris.com/Products/SKU-0501122050/SECOND-LIFE.aspx Kutcha Edwards- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutcha_Edwards and www.kutcha-edwards.com Gary Pappin- http://www.aiatsis.gov.au/_files/research/publications/ProtectingCountry5.pdf and http://www.wakool.com.au Jack Long- https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1G1-337617945/the-mathi-group-of-languages Ballandella- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mitchell_(explorer) Turundery- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_Australian_historical_figures Harry Nanya- http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/nanya-7725 Mungo Man- http://www.crystalinks.com/mungoman.html Mungo Lady- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains John Winch- http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/john-winch.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.116.12.176 (talk) 14:56, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep ­— It sure seems like this article can be fixed and that notability can be established with all of the academic and government publications in the wall of text references and the more formatted ones pasted into this discussion. For sure, the article is not there yet but this is fixable. — m a k o ๛  18:29, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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