Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mathis Mootz


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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn without any delete proposals. A page move can be discussed on the article talkpage. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 23:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Mathis Mootz

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Despite the article saying this DJ is prolific there doesn't seem to be anything about him that passes WP:NBIO or WP:NMUSIC. The article only cites two sources. One of which is AllMusic and the other one is a dead link. So, neither of them work for notability. There isn't any sources in his German article either and there doesn't seem to be any reviews of his albums on AllMusic. I wasn't able to find any in-depth coverage of him or his music in a WP:BEFORE either. There does seem to be a lot of stuff about his side project Panacea though. Which doesn't currently seem to have an article in Wikipedia. Maybe the best route would be to create one since it looks to be notable and go with that. Instead of having an article about him. Since he doesn't appear to be notable on his own and neither does his other band. Which appears to take up a lot of the article. Panacea redirects to his article though. Which makes me think maybe it wasn't notable either. Adamant1 (talk) 02:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 02:26, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * keep The second line of our article reads "Mootz is best known as the Panacea". Panacea is a stage name rather than a side project he has 3 stage names so an article on the person makes more sense. It looks to me like all his albums as Panacea have been reviewed. e.g. https://www.side-line.com/panacea-beyond-all-boundaries-vinyl-12-sonic-groove/. https://www.beatport.com/artist/the-panacea/8804 https://www.allmusic.com/artist/panacea-mn0000002278/biography PainProf (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * While he might have other side projects, if none of them are notable except for Panacea and he's not known by his real name then I think it could strongly be argued that either an article under Mathis Mootz isn't notable enough, but one under Panacea would be. The problem though is that Panacea was deleted in 2007 in this AfD. So, if Panacea is notable enough for an article now then that AfD should be refunded and the article should be created. That's a different issue then if "Mathis Mootz" is notable or not though. Which is who this article and the AfD is about. I'd like to point out to that most DJs who go under a stage name from what I've seen have articles under their stage name.


 * For instance DJ Shadow not Joshua Paul Davis, Deadmau5 not Joel Thomas Zimmerman, etc etc. Most have hardly notable side projects to, but it doesn't seem to warrant an article under their full name in most of those cases. The important to notability and what warrants is what they are most commonly referred to as and in this case it's Panacea. So, there should be a Panacea article, but again that's not related to Mathis Mootz not being notable. BTW, I think it's a semi different thing with DJs then it is with say bands where a band member might have an article if they notable enough on their own as part of the band and I think the difference is reflected in the clear precedent for articles about DJ largely being under the name they are popularly known as. Also, my guess is that if a Joshua Paul Davis or Joel Thomas Zimmerman article were created they would likely be forwarded to DJ Shadow and Deadmau5 respectively. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We can rename this article if you want to but in both those cases it describes the person and their name is before their stage name in the lead. It makes no sense to go back to an 2006 version when there has clearly been significant change since then and as you know that is a weak AfD with limited participation and all rationale as per nom so it isn't relevant in this discussion. PainProf (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Fine, change your vote to Rename then. I don't really care. Just keeping it doesn't lead to it being renamed and your the one that thinks it's the best option. I was under the impression that if there was an AfD for an article with the same name that it's better to do a refund instead of just creating a whole new article with the same title. Otherwise, it would have to go to draft space first or whatever. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh, we would just move the page to the new name no need to do anything difficult and I don't really think we need to move, but I couldn't care less. There's already a redirect and it's in the lead so it's pretty clear to me. PainProf (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Sounds like PainProf has found significant coverage for the musician. Renaming a page is easy, if we think it's more appropriate. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Withdraw and move to Panacea (DJ) or whatever. Someone else can do the move though. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:40, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


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