Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matko Knešaurek


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete all. No consensus without prejudice on Petra Cicvarić and Marija Omaljev-Grbić. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Matko Knešaurek

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A Croatian actor. Total experience is a combined total of two TV episodes and doing theatre in college. Speedy was declined. Here is the google translate of the biography reference in the article. Bgwhite (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Bgwhite (talk) 07:23, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. The newbie recently created articles for a lot of stuff related to a soap opera Ruža vjetrova that just started airing this autumn on RTL Televizija. Some of those actors are notable in their own right, but the whole thing seems overly enthusiastic and without regard to WP:N. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I went through his contribs and noticed he even created articles on five characters in the series plus about a dozen other BLPs of actors of Knešaurek's calibre (always referenced by just an IMDb link). I took the liberty of adding them to this AfD as all of them seem to fail WP:ENTERTAINER.



I can't seem to find any guideline for fictional characters so I'll just start another AfD for them to get others' opinion.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 01:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 00:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted per additional articles w/o additional discussion.--v/r - TP 00:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - These actors do not meet WP notability guidelines.     All these articles should be deleted, and any significant material should be merged into articles on the TV shows, such as  Ruža vjetrova. --Noleander (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete (merging/redirecting as appropriate) most, keep Petra C. and Marija, The arguments and available sourcing I can find for most of these actors seems to argue against notability. However, I do see some potential signs of notability for Petra Cicvarić (e.g., ), and in particular Marija Omaljev-Grbić, (e.g.,, , ), and as a result I am defaulting to keep on those unless we have a a fuller discussion regarding the specific sources for those two actors.  --joe deckertalk to me 18:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The first article from Nacional's web site says at the bottom "read the whole text in the printed edition of Extra", and the latter magazine is a tabloid IIRC, so it's not necessarily worth much. I googled the name and found a fair bit more similar (worthless) coverage, but then again also one Slobodna Dalmacija interview and one article about a theatre play she acted in. My overall reaction is still no more than a "meh", because while specific not-entirely-trivial interviews help demonstrate some general notability (at least 1 journalist and at least 1 editor thought a substantial chunk of their readership would want to read such a thing at the given point in time), but this publicity doesn't necessarily provide a value judgement on the person's true notability - they do not tend to provide any sort of independent analysis of the person's work. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 17:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.