Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mats Lidström


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The result was   keep. SarahStierch (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Mats Lidström

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Unsourced WP:BLP, WP:OR The Banner talk 18:26, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I added a note on the talk page of the article. As explained there the entire content of this article is largely factual (rather than opinion) and verifiable by visiting Mats profile at the Royal Academy of Music website plus his own personal and publishing websites (all linked at the foot of the article). Most of the information was gather directly from Mats via a copy of his CV, discussion and visiting his website and he requested that I help him by updating the information on the page as the previous version of the page was seriously out of date (have originally been written by his nephew a long time ago). Further the original page had no citations to justify the content. If there are issues I need to resolve can you please tell me how to do that - the docs and policies on wikipedia are very long and tedious and the language pretty impenetrable. JCarolHaynes (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete unless better sources can be found. Even if they can, this BLP is a style disaster and should be blown up. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC).

Good morning! The matter is really very uncomplicated: I work as professor at the Royal Academy of Music in London and would not wish to have a profile on me which is grossly out of date. Nor would Wikipedia. The page was set up by my nephew several years ago, so now it's time to update it. YOu've seen the text, since my friend Carol Haynes has tried to put it up here several times. ALl it is, is an updated CV on me as a cellist/composer. Many thanks. MATS
 * A CV is not an encyclopaedic article, beside that it is a breach of copyrights. The Banner talk 11:49, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind rewriting some of it if you feel it is not in an approved style. I am not sure what you want by way of references - the information is documented and the Royal Academy of Music website - which is linked in the article. What else can I reference. For example, there is no published information on which orchestras Mats has worked with other than the RAM website - and short of writing to every orchestra and asking them to write a publicly accesssible statement that Mats has worked with them I can't see how that basic information about a career is in anyway capable of confirmation by citation? JCarolHaynes (talk) 09:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In fact, this article is almost a copy from Royal Acedemy of Music. Big parts are plain copied, making it a violation of copyrights, sorry. Evidence: Dulicate Detector. The Banner talk 11:49, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Not a violation of copyright if it is used with permission.JCarolHaynes (talk) 14:40, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you written proof of that? The Banner talk 16:11, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't be a problem - how can I submit evidence? JCarolHaynes (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * But even with that, you have to rewrite is as the style is not very well for an encyclopaedia. You can contact Volunteer Response Team for the exact procedure. I have never had that problem, so I don't know how it works but those lads and lasses are there to help you. Good luck. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I don't mind redrafting it to be more encyclopaedic. How do I submit authorisation for the use of content from the Royal Academy website? JCarolHaynes (talk) 21:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * E-mail them (see left hand menu) and they will talk you through the procedure. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 22:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

OK sent email requesting info about providing permission and advice about further citations required. JCarolHaynes (talk) 01:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC) — JCarolHaynes (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep – I added 2 references; they were not difficult to find and can probably be used as source for some more statements in the article. And it shouldn't be too difficult to find more. A WP:TROUT for disregarding WP:BEFORE might be in order. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep -- If the content is true, I would have thought that he was notable as a soloist. There is a possible COPY-VIO issue. However, if we have the subject of the BIO involved in this discussion, it should be possible to resolve that problem by writing something that is not a copy.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:48, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.