Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mats van Kins


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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 23:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Mats van Kins

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Two minutes in one professional game, subbed in the 88th minute of a 4–0 win in the 2017–2018 season. Media coverage is primary, non-significant coverage of joining the team and signing a contract. The article just barely meets NFOOTY, does not meet GNG, and should not be included in the encyclopedia (at least not yet). Leviv&thinsp;ich 21:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep Easy keep, seeing as he passes WP:NFOOTY. Fully professional, capped in a professional game, and played in a professional league. No reason to delete whatsoever.Is in the beginning of his career, in the first division, so no real reason to delete this now.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:23, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep exactly the type of player WP:NFOOTY is designed for - he's currently a member of a team of a top ten European football league, has played in several friendlies, and has multiple mentions in different media sources in at least two different languages. I know it seems like a low bar, but my vote would be different if no media coverage of him existed, and maybe if his career had ended. But this is WP:NFOOTY working as it should, giving us a guideline of the moment a player becomes notable that's clear and usable worldwide. SportingFlyer  T · C  06:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTY having played in a fully professional league. This is not a player who made a single appearance 30 years ago and was never heard of again. Van Kins is 20 years old and still part of the first team squad of a team in a fully professional league. Kosack (talk) 07:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:NFOOTY. R96Skinner (talk) 11:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:59, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment/question – If we give preference to players who barely pass NFOOTY at the beginning of their career as opposed to players at the end of their career, on the logic that there will be more significant coverage from independent secondary sources in the future, wouldn't that be doing the opposite of what is suggested by WP:TOOSOON (an essay, but one that has wide consensus in AfD practice)? Leviv&thinsp;ich 20:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * You're not wrong, but my vote is based on his current media coverage. That probably plays into it too - it's much easier to find recent articles online than it is for articles even five years ago, per my research. SportingFlyer  T · C  20:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep As others have explained, he meets WP:NFOOTY. Smartyllama (talk) 15:49, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutral - All the NFOOTY arguments above should be discarded as irrelevant and not based on policy - NFOOTY merely creates a presumption of GNG, however GNG still needs to be met and is challenged here. I do see however a smattering of passing mentions and these - in Dutch - which may be just barely sufficient. Icewhiz (talk) 08:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems a valid stub article per WP:NFOOTBALL, as others have pointed out to nominator it's the beginning of his career. Govvy (talk) 23:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


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