Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Barnes (baseball)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:51, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Matt Barnes (baseball)

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This biography is a borderline WP:GNG/WP:ATHLETE case. DYK seeks further resolution on whether this is a notable subject. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:59, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as creator and DYK nominator Sufficient coverage to meet GNG. From WP:ITSLOCAL: "Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline requires multiple sources independent of the subject to cover the subject in order to establish notability. But this guideline does not specify the locality of the coverage." Also, subject may meet NSPORTS as a competitor in the World University Baseball Championship, which is an international competition. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Boston Red Sox minor league players as a bio that is insufficient for its own page at this time, but that has the potential to deserve one in due time. The question is whether any of the national coverage is more than routine game summaries or statistical summaries. Note that WP:GNG requires that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". This is the type of article that I personally would like to see kept but that fails WP:ATHLETE. There is no consensus on WP that being an All-American confers permanent notability for college baseball players. There was a time when he would have until the end of the season the following year to meet either ATHLETE or GNG. I personally, would prefer to hold him to this standard and give him a chance to be called up this season or set some Minor League records. The benefit to wikipedia is retention of encyclopedic detail. If the article result is deletion, maybe we could agree to hold this in the article incubator until the end of September out of respect for the old policy. I would vote to keep if this article had sufficient biographical detail about his high school career to give the article the feel that we have the ability to produce a biographical sketch with encyclopedic content. It would then pass WP:ITSLOCAL in my eyes.  One fact about his high school career fails this standard.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - I see several articles about him (not just stats or game summaries) as sources for the article, which should be enough to meet WP:GNG. Rlendog (talk) 19:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:55, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve. Accomplished amateur and high-profile first-round pick. Meets WP:GNG. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 16:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Every first-round draft pick gets massive local and regional coverage, plus some national coverage (Baseball America, etc.). It seems that people have shifted the standards here in the past few days. How is this AfD, and several other pending AfDs, different from the dozens if not hundreds of previously merged or deleted pages for first round picks or minor leaguers? — NY-13021 (talk) 20:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for unnamed articles, but the only ones I see getting merged or deleted have no coverage outside of the routine variety. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The main difference is that people are paying attention on this one. Most of those other articles on first-round picks could also have been kept by the WP:GNG (which trumps all) if anyone had bothered to look for sources. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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