Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Cherry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. joe deckertalk to me 16:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Matt Cherry

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Very detailed bio (likely WP:AUTOBIO) of an almost-NFL player (despite what the article claims, the NFL link indicates that he never actually played in the NFL) and music video director/producer who has no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The-Pope (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: The article states he played for the Bengals in the last game of the 2004 season and "registered three receptions." Looking at his NFL.com gamelog, it appears he may have played in game #17 against the Eagles on 1/2/04, but the stats are all zero. — Satori Son 15:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Without knowing much about the finer points of NFL statistics, or the accuracy of the stats on NFL.com, if he made it on the field, surely the G column for Games would be 1, not zero? The gamebook lists him as "not active". Databasefootball and pro-football-reference are also blank.The-Pope (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:VERIFY. While the article does contain assertions of notability that would meet the requirements of WP:ATHLETE, I have not yet been able to verify those assertions with WP:Reliable sources. — Satori Son 16:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * While I respect Tony’s research and opinion below, I’m going to stick with a “delete” opinion on this one. Normally, the presumption of notability we give athletes under  Notability (sports) would be sufficient for a “weak keep”, but the discovered falsehoods in, and blatantly promotional nature of, this article cause me to be more strict in my evaluation.  I’m going to rely on the overarching standards of the WP:GNG, which requires that the person has “received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.”  That is clearly not the case here, whether or not he actually played in one NFL game or not.  Thus, it is not going to be possible to write a complete encyclopedia article that meets the standards of WP:VERIFY. — Satori Son 17:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 *  Keep  He is a former NFL player. The article needs a lot of work and may need to be chopped down. I do not believe he ever made an NFL reception. Some of the career details are not readily available in most sources. However, according to this some of the extra detail in the article may be true.  However, A google search with the following term "Matt Cherry" site:www.baltimoresun.com comes up empty, which is alarming to me. The question is whether kffl.com is a WP:RS. this salary info backs up 2004 roster status. We have to keep an player who actually played in an NFL game by convention regardless of whether he accumulated stats. I am surprise I can not find more transaction articles, but did find this one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I would not contest removal of all post NFL career content unless it can be sourced.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:53, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Per this I have removed the 3 reception claim.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Most sports require you to actually play in the top level league to qualify under WP:NSPORTS. Surely, with the huge team lists (Isn't it 60-80 players?) for NFL teams, that should apply too? The game log said that he is an "not active" player - not even an unused substitute, let alone actually getting on the field.  NSPORTS says "Have appeared in at least one game".  Are we correct in reading "appeared" as "played on field" not just "suited up and sat on the sideline"?  Given the false reception info, I'm getting the WP:DUCK feeling that this is just a big self-promotion of someone who almost made it, but didn't. The-Pope (talk) 15:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought he dressed and played special teams or something without making any catches or tackles. Do you have reason to believe he did not suit up for the one game he is credited for?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know the usage in NFL terminology, but common English language usage would indicate that a player listed as "not active" on the official gamebook means that he wasn't actually on the field - or does it mean something else in the NFL? The-Pope (talk) 04:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete You are correct. I am changing my vote to delete without prejudice to recreation if there is future evidence from WP:RS of him having played in professional games in either the Canadian Football League or possibly the NFL Europe.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a source to article that he was on practice squad only in CFL. Didnt find evidence he ever played. NSPORTS doesnt consider NFL Europe notable.  As further reassurance that he probably never played in the NFL, a special teams player like Kassim Osgood has gamelogs listed at pro-football-reference.com even though he didnt catch a pass in those games and usually only played special times.  I would expect Cherry to have similar entries if he ever played. —Bagumba (talk) 05:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * deleteI think we usually interpret the rule  to mean the player must actually appear on the field in a regular season game, not just be present, though I think we've generally consider that even a few minutes is enough (just as it is for a letter on college teams). From the article, he hasn't done what is necessary.    DGG ( talk ) 05:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:NSPORTS which says player must "Have appeared in at least one game". No evidence he ever played in an NFL/CFL/AFL game.  Fails WP:GNG by lacking signficant coverage in multiple independent resources.  Text on his movie career appears to be solely from IMDB, which is not considered reliable per WP:RS/IMDB. —Bagumba (talk) 05:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete no real reliable, trustworthy sources.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:59, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not seeing non-trivial coverage in reliable sources to establish his notability. Cbl62 (talk) 05:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.