Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Cowley (drummer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 05:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Matt Cowley (drummer)

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No indication of meeting notability guidelines at WP:MUSICBIO. Played for non notable bands, no independent WP:reliable sources. noq (talk) 19:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I started the page as a Stub, hoping that someone with some more detailed information could flesh it out for me. He's on TV today if that helps. ITV 3pm! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markheslop (talk • contribs) 07:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It might - why is he on TV? Is he being interviewed about his career? Or is he just an anonymous figure in the background supporting someone else? noq (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, he's a drummer, so I guess that falls into your category of "an anonymous figure in the background supporting someone else"; that's what drummers largely do isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markheslop (talk • contribs) 19:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:MUSICBIO and then explain how he fulfils the criteria for notability. Session musicians do not generally meet them. noq (talk) 19:25, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Lacks coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

I am still trying to get someone with more knowledge to update the page, with a discography section, and a greater expansion on previous bands. Please bear with me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markheslop (talk • contribs) 15:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How does that meet the guidelines at WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG? Unless you can show that, the article will be deleted. noq (talk) 16:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

My point is that I don't have the knowledge need to satisfy the WP:MUSICBIO guidelines, but I'm hoping that when someone else puts the info in, it will then satisfy it. I thought the point of wikipedia was that anyone could create / edit an article, so why such strict restrictions on what can be placed. Even if he was just a session musician (which he is not, as far as I'm aware), what harm is there in an article on it? I have seen far more stubs on here that tell you a) absolutely nothing about something that b) can be looked up elsewhere already. Leave the 'suggested deletion' on for now, but please can we let someone other than me, try and add some more info please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markheslop (talk • contribs) 20:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And my point is that Wikipedia has policies about what should be created and what should not. Those policies explicitly state that article subjects should be notable. That WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not mean that this can be ignored in the hope that someone else will be able to show that. There are an awful lot of articles that should not exist according to policy because so many new articles are created every day that some slip through without being challenged. That does not mean that those that are spotted should be given a free ride. The afd will run its course - if someone can establish notability it does not prevent the article from being recreated. But they will need to do that to prevent it being speedy deleted. noq (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Logan Talk Contributions 14:34, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baseball   Watcher  21:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete: THREE relists? C'mon.  No reliable sources attesting to his notability.  Involved with no notable groups.  No evidence of meeting any of the WP:MUSIC criteria.  No argument to Keep or rationale behind the article's existence proffered, even by the article creator.  AfD open for nearly a MONTH without any of these defects being cured.  How about a little less of a search for a decisive head count and more towards a review of the arguments presented, which is (theoretically) how AfDs are supposed to be closed?   Ravenswing  08:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.