Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Dillahunty (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Xavexgoem (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Matt Dillahunty
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I don't believe that enough sources exist to demonstrate actual notability of the subject. He's the host of a public access talk show and the president of a large atheist club in Austin, but without significant coverage in independent sources he cannot be considered notable.
 * 1) Secularstudents.org is an activist site and not much of an WP:RS
 * 2) A collection of youtube excerpts is not an RS
 * 3) Iron chariots is a wiki and therefore not RS
 * 4) Austin American Statesman is actually an RS but a single one is not enough to establish notability, especially since it's local
 * 5) Atheist-experience.org is an SPS and can't contribute to notability
 * 6) Another youtube vid that can't establish notability

Searching google news turns up nothing substantial.

Jclemens introduced this at AFD in 2008 but withdrew it I'm guessing because he thought that more sources would be found but it doesn't appear as though this person has become any more notable. N o f o rmation Talk  04:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The previous AFD looks like it was a snow delete before Jclemens withdrew, I'm pretty confused by it as he stated that he found sources in gnews while another editor responded that no such sources existed. I will notify him of this discussion.  N o f o rmation  Talk  04:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiple separate articles in the Statesman are multiple RS references, which meet the GNG. Jclemens (talk) 04:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would think there would have to be more than just a local source (even if it has more than 1 article on him). If no one outside of Austin is writing about him is he really notable?  This has always been my understanding of the notability policy but I'm happy to be corrected.  N o f o rmation  Talk  05:12, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Atheism-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:35, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I see no requirement in the WP:GNG for coverage to be national rather than local sources. Indeed, for non-biographical articles, the only coverage of a subject may be local newspaper sources. The GNG simply specifies that sources must be significant, reliable and independent of the subject. The statesman.com articles satisfy the general notability guidelines, therefore weak keep. If there is consensus to delete, I would suggest that it would be appropriate to leave the door open for a possible redirect to a new article on the Atheist Community of Austin, as both of the sources on Dillahunty, plus others about the group, could be used to create a new article. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:37, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the redirect idea. There may not be a specific requirement for national sources but I'll ask again: if no one outside of Austin is writing about him is he really notable? There are articles about me in my local newspapers but I guarantee I do not qualify to have an article.  N o f o rmation  Talk  20:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - I searched for extra sources, but couldn't find any more in RS. There doesn't seem to be enough significant coverage to satisfy WP:BIO. Robofish (talk) 02:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep he, his life and his message is very important, especially for us-citizens (and so - unfortunately - for the rest of the world). being big on youtube his show is going to be growing and growing and people will be interested in the article as well.--77.6.45.139 (talk) 12:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That his work may be important is not relevant in regards to WP having an article about him. Having a youtube show is also not generally indicative of notability and per WP:CRYSTAL we can't make decisions now about what might happen in the future.  N o f o rmation  Talk  20:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep He is the main host of weekly show, which is going on since many years (at least 7-8 years). He is quite notable for his Atheism activism and have been invited for debates. Abhishikt (talk)  05:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * He's the host of a public access show, something that you or me could do fairly easily. Notability has to be demonstrated, not asserted, and thus far he doesn't have substantial coverage in reliable sources.  I'm honestly surprised by the keep votes, rarely do we keep an article if the only sources are from a single local newspaper.  If he meets GNG then so does my family business as it had reviews from at least 10 local newspapers over the 28 years it was open, but that's definitely not the case.   N o f o rmation  Talk  20:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * keep, per gng Pass a Method   talk  09:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep He most assuredly is 'interesting' and 'unusual' per standard, his public tv show is much better than the one by the other rather more famous atheist from Austin, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, and the lack of more mainstream references can at least partially be attributed to their typical avoidance of such topics, often a very labored willful ignorance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mechtheist (talk • contribs) 01:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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