Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Donovan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Matt Donovan

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Contested prod. Non-notable junior player, fails to meet WP:ATHLETE as he has not played pro yet or played at the highest level of amateur competition which would be the Olympics or World Championships, not AAA youth hockey which the contestor of the prod stated. Can be recreated when/if he plays pro or otherwise achieves notability. Djsasso (talk) 17:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hockey-related deletion discussions.   —Djsasso (talk) 17:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per nom. Subject played in World Championships. . "This past August Matt was chosen to compete as a member of the USA Under 18 Team at the World Championships in Slovakia. The team ended up in fifth place. 'This was a big honor to be selected,” said Matt’s mother, Kathryn. “And to watch him play wearing a USA hockey jersey was amazing!'" Tan   |   39  17:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment World Under 18 championships is not the same thing as the World Championships. Any championships where age is considered a factor is not the top level. Even the World Junior Championships which is a higher calibre of championship than the World Under 18 championships has by past concensus not been good enough to meet WP:ATHLETE. -Djsasso (talk) 17:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is that part of the guideline? Seriously, I can't find that specified anywhere. Is there an official consensus? I know, I used to be like you, and demand deletion of anyone or anything that didn't meet the exact specifications of WP:ATHLETE. However, WP:ATHLETE is a notability guideline, not a policy. The guy has been drafted by an NHL team. If someone comes damn close, has been individually covered by multiple reliable sources, and is imminently going to meet the "compete at a professional level" part, then I find it silly to delete and recreate. This article does not hurt the integrity or credibility of Wikipedia. A perfect example of WP:IAR. Tan   |   39  17:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There are hundreds of players who have been drafted who have never played professionally. Hockey players are drafted years before they even play professionally. This player is not likely to play even in the minor pro leagues for atleast 2 more years so he is hardly in the category of imminently about to meet the guideline. I realize WP:ATHLETE is a guideline. The hockey project as well has a more stringent guideline at hockey player notability standards. Again just a guideline obviously. However, this is definately a case of it hurts wikipedia to have the article, as once some of these un-notable players are allowed to live hundreds more will flood in. This happens every year after the draft. And every year we end up having to clear out these players. -Djsasso (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete: A really rotten example of WP:IAR, actually. Never mind just hockey, where two hundred players are drafted a season.  How about baseball, where a couple thousand players are drafted a season?  WP:CRYSTAL exists for a reason, and "imminently going to" compete as a pro does not mean he will.  Hockey history is peppered with promising 18 year old 4th round draftees who petered out in juniors or college and never approached pro hockey; just to take a random year as example, no fewer than five 4th rounders in the 1998 entry draft never played pro hockey.  No doubt his mother was indeed proud to see her boy compete in red, white and blue, but that's a poor reason to have a Wikipedia article.  (By the bye, Tan, what led you to claim that Donovan was on a pro roster in the edit summaries?)    RGTraynor  18:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. and RGTraynor. JohnCD (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete also per nom. and RGTraynor.  Black  ngold29   20:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Can we cross-nominate the others I prodded, that can be found in my contributions?  Grsz  talk  00:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Because so many !votes had been cast already I put the other two rejected prods up in the following nom. Articles for deletion/Paul Karpowich. -Djsasso (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only awards I can find on Donovan are that he twice won defensive player of the week in USHL  and I don't think that is noteworthy.  I took a quick look at Grsz's other Prod's.  The only players I would keep are Mike Murphy (won goaltender of the year in the OHL) and Justin Azevedo (multiple player of the year awards).  All others, delete.  Patken4 (talk) 01:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete not professional, yet: therefore fails WP:ATHLETE. No other valid assertion of notability. ccwaters (talk) 14:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per everyone else above. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


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