Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Embree (kickboxer)


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The result was delete. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 18:38, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Matt Embree (kickboxer)

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Kickboxer with no significant independent coverage so the GNG is not met. Results reporting is just routine sports coverage and doesn't show notability. Fails to meet the notability standards for kickboxers (WP:NKICK) since he has never fought for a world title of a major organization and never been ranked in the world top 10. A North American and an interim international (whatever that means) title are not enough.Mdtemp (talk) 15:09, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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— Strikingfan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Papaursa (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nominator.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet the kickboxer notability criteria at WP:NKICK. Since all of the references are just reporting of results, WP:GNG is not met by routine sports coverage.  He may become notable, but he's not there yet.  Article was created WP:TOOSOON, but I have no objection to it being saved in userspace. Papaursa (talk) 01:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Based on many of the Kickboxers that are listedList of male kickboxers his wikipedia page should be kept as he has more notoriety than 45 to 50% of those Kicknoxers. There are links to references that are not just fight results including a Kickboxing magazine article. As someone who reports on the sport of Kickboxing for a living he is definitely one of the top fighters in the super lightweight division. If you look at reference 1 he is currently ranked 15 on the official WBC website. Before his recent 1-2 run he was ranked number 10 in the world which qualifies him. There are also references that are not just results. Strikingfan (talk) 07:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you support the number 10 ranking - which publication?Peter Rehse (talk) 09:44, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep Matt Embree is a notable fighter that has competed for several titles and is recognized as one of the top fighters at 140lbs in the world and top five in North America. He is a great addition the List of Kickboxers on Wikipedia.  Nakmuay007 (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Those who support keeping the article should provide evidence that he meets the kickboxer notability criteria at WP:NKICK. So far no evidence has been presented and my search didn't find anything.  The only non-results source provided is to an article that lists possible North American fighters "to lead the next generation" and gives only a few sentences about each.  That would seem to mark him as a prospect and not yet notable as well as insufficient coverage to be considered significant.  GNG requires several reliable sources showing significant independent coverage, not routine sports reporting.  Claims that he's better than other fighters who have articles is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and appears to be more WP:ILIKEIT. Papaursa (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete at best for now and wait for better later as this is still questionable for notability improvements. SwisterTwister   talk  06:42, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia does not keep an article just because brand new editors come along to assert that the topic has fame and notability — we keep or delete articles based on whether or not reliable source coverage explicitly shows that the person has passed an objective notability criterion. Nothing here shows that, however. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when he actually achieves something that clears the bar, but it's reliable source coverage, which verifies an objective WP:NKICK pass, or bust. Bearcat (talk) 13:58, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Guys you all are pretty knowledgeable clearly. Can someone explain to me why an article like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Ross_(kickboxer) hasn't been flagged for deletion? It is basically the same thing but with a different kickboxer.Strikingfan (talk) 04:39, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think Kevin Ross actually meets WP:KICK (barely) because of is Top 10 ranking with Combat Press (WBC rankings are not independent). But even if he did not WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and you could always bring him to AfD.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:16, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I went on the internet way back machine and found these rankings from Muay Thai Authority (They are references on a lot of Kickboxers wikipedia pages. They are one of the top if not the top website for Muay Thai and Kickboxing. Matt Embree has been ranked by them, here are the links https://web.archive.org/web/20150914023234/http://www.muaythaiauthority.com/2013/10/updated-super-lightweight-rankings.html and https://web.archive.org/web/20141112224719/http://www.muaythaiauthority.com/2013/07/updated-north-american-p4p-rankings.html I messaged them about their rankings and they said they are working on a new system currently but that they should be out soon. By the way guys thanks for helping me learn quite a bit in this discussion, appreciate it. Looking to contribute more to wikipedia now that I understand it better. Strikingfan (talk) 08:51, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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