Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Martin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 18:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Matt Martin

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Notability has been asserted, but not established. Home page link is dead and there are no verifiable third party sources establishing why this kid should be included in the 'pedia. X MarX the Spot (talk) 11:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Child racing star who has done well racing in leagues primarily for other children. We don't create articles on local high school football stars, either. RayAYang (talk) 12:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * comment we would if there was enough reliable coverage and notability of the high school football player, such as doing something like kicking a world-record field goal... and that's possible.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree, the only racing for children that he did was the bandoleros. The rest were adult level, although some allow teenaged drivers. The ASA series is a national tour and often nationally-televised. It's a major feeder series for NASCAR. The ASA link in the article had unfortunately been poorly coded as a red link so it looked like a non-notable series. I made a minor rewording edit to make it a blue link.  Royal broil  14:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply I was using our article on FASCAR Pro Truck and Sportsman Series which states that the average age of a driver in this league is 16-18. In general, I also don't believe that people who compete in feeder leagues are sufficiently notable for their own articles. RayAYang (talk) 18:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   -- RayAYang (talk) 12:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Is it in the air tonight? More than enough coverage from creditable - verifiable and third party sources - independent of his father, as shown here  to establish Notability. ShoesssS Talk 13:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 *  Neutral leaning to Keep I can find some sources  to name a few. I can find more than enough to satisfy that part of the guideline. But the fact remains that he has not made it into the highest ranks of auto racing yet. He was very close to being notable as a development driver for a major NASCAR team, and developmental drivers almost certainly become notable. You could argue that just being a developmental driver means the driver is notable. No prejudice against creating an article if he does become more notable.  Royal  broil  13:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed to full keep after reflecting for several hours. ASA is a fully professional nationally recognized racing series and drivers in it should be notable enough to have an article if there are enough reliable sources (which there are).  Royal broil  00:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Connection (son) to highly notable racer and the fact that he did do an ammount of racing on his own gives him a place here. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 20:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rjd0060 (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.