Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt jones professional speaker


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 13:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Matt jones professional speaker

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Article was tagged for speedy deletion, but given that there are some reliable sources I am bringing the article here instead. Personally I am not convinced that the sources are sufficient to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Subject has not recieved significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject:
 * The first two references in the article itself are books written by him, and thus not secondary sources independent of the subject.
 * The other three are trivial coverage.
 * Google web search brings up nothing.
 * Google news search brings up nothing
 * Patton t /c 12:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not sure why you'd expect those searches to turn up stuff, as articles about the guy are unlikely to call him a "professional speaker" because that's not what makes him interesting. I mean, seriously: you're not going to hire somebody to speak for you who doesn't have something interesting to say, right?  So why would an article be about his speaking and not the interesting stuff he talks about.  There are plenty of independent sources about this guy and his books.    .  Obviously the article should be renamed. Matt Jones (inspirational writer) would seem appropriate. JulesH (talk) 13:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "inspirational" is about as biased as you can get, you cannot include tat in an article name.--Patton t /c 13:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep based solely on notability analysis. I did a quick GS on for Matt Jones and Cancer, and found enough sources that I'm convinced the individual passes WP:BIO. The sources are pretty slim, so my support for keeping the article is pretty weak. The article does not need to be renamed, however the article name should be tweeked so that "Jones" is capitalized, and "Professional Speaker" is in parenthesis. I would support a change in name to "Motivational Speaker", however "Inspirational Speaker" seems a clear NPOV failure. Jo7hs2 (talk) 16:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Inspirational story, but Delete. Local newspaper articles about a regional inspiration speaker do not establish notability. --Bobak (talk) 19:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The title has been changed to Matt Jones (author) but if there is anything he is not notable at, it is being an author --the first book is in 1 worldcat library outside his home town (possible in more than that total, but hard to tell). His 2nd book is in none at all. They both appear to be self-published. WP is not a tabloid. Very close to G11 promotional. DGG (talk) 21:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete: DGG's WorldCat analysis has shifted me from Weak Keep to Weak Delete. I see some source chatter than makes my support for delete weak, but overall the sources out there are pretty darn weak, and what I see doesn't support inclusion. Jo7hs2 (talk) 22:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a place to become notable; it is a tertiary source of people, places, things and ideas that are already notable. Bearian (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


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