Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matteo Sommacal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). North America1000 01:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Matteo Sommacal

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A whole lot of WP:COATRACKing that adds up to nothing, article was apparently created by the subject. Has no musical releases cited to anything, has nothing academic that would meet that either. Local play only on specific programs does not denote rotation. No reviews, no other material that would lead to a sense of coverage. MSJapan (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: "Plan"


 * Originally I had said, at the William Susman AfD, that I didn't think Belarca Records would be viable as stand-alone article, however, this may be sufficient independent reliable sources on their CDs for such article:
 * at www.textura.org: discussion of the Tazawa CD
 * at http://www.acousticmusic.com/fame/: discussion of the Scatter my Ashes CD – discussion of the Music for Moving Pictures CD
 * So the article could be somewhat like this: its lead section about the label's founder and the Naxos distribution;
 * First section about artists and ensembles: current AfD articles that may redirect to this section:
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/William Susman as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/Octet Ensemble as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/Erika Tazawa as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/Matteo Sommacal as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/Piccola Accademia degli Specchi as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * Also the formerly deleted Francesco Di Fiore may redirect here
 * Second section about the label's releases. Current AfDs that may redirect here:
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/Fate of the Lhapa (soundtrack) as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * – i.e. close Articles for deletion/Oil on Ice (soundtrack) as "redirect to Belarca Records" instead of delete/keep
 * Other titles can be made into redirects to this section too.
 * (sorry for the unusual presentation of this plan: I created this reply on a separate page in my userspace in order to post it as a template on several AfDs concurrently) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem with this, if I have understood you correctly, is that Belarca Records is not a notable label and currently redirects to William Susman, who at least has a marginal notability. It is basically no different than a self-published book. It has very few recordings, and all of them including or devoted to Susman's work. And note that it is marketed through Naxos Direct, which, as has been pointed out. is no different to Amazon or CDBaby. It is not a sub-label of Naxos Records. Finally, small labels like this draw their notability from the notability of the artists and ensembles who record for them. If none of them are independently notable, then neither is the label. In my view, this is not helpful. The decision should be made on each of the artist/ensemble articles separately. This kind of transclusion of a sub-discussion also causes a potential mess in AfDs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll "subst:" the template content to the AfD pages in order to avoid creating AfD confusion. Can we keep the centralised discussion on this idea at Articles for deletion/William Susman then (no need to do the same discussion over in the different places)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Except this has nothing to do with Susman as an artist, and therefore nothing to do with his AfD. You're creating a WP:NOTINHERITED problem, which is what is trying to be cleaned up in the first place. MSJapan (talk) 17:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Suggesting to hold discussion on a possible resucitation of Belarca Records as an article in its own right (to which this article could possibly redirect) centralised at Articles for deletion/Erika Tazawa. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:42, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:05, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.