Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Berger


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Nominator has partially withdrawn. The discussion as to whether to keep or redirect can continue editorially. Star  Mississippi  14:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Matthew Berger

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Article was written by the subject of the article it appears, and doesn't seem to meet GNG. Possible WP:TOOSOON. At the very least, the article is simply promotional, and is a TNT candidate. SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 17:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete grad student filmmakers are normally not notable, and there are not even any sources here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:30, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2022 May 5.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 17:32, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Everything on the article can be fact checked so no bias is involved. It is not for promotion but rather to connect the discovery of Australopithecus sediba to the person who discovered the first fossils. There is still more to be added to the article. I have been asked multiple times to link a page from the discovery of Australopithecus sediba and Homo naledi to myself so am creating it for this reason. Mattyberger (talk) 17:32, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and South Africa. Shellwood (talk) 17:43, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Reliable sources have been added since this afd nomination was made. There are now citations from Discover Magazine, The New York Times, and CBS News that contain non-trivial coverage of the subject. I found these as well:, . There's also this article from Smithsonian Magazine that includes his discovery of Australopithecus sediba on its list of "The Top Ten Scientific Discoveries of the Decade". This is a WP:GNG pass, and the obvious WP:COI issues do not detract from the subject's notability.Sal2100 (talk) 16:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep at least as the redirect that I created over 12 years ago. Our subject is important for the discovery, not for being a grad student! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I actually agree with your assessment, as well as . I would W/D the nomination but there's already a delete !vote which prevents me from doing so (I think.) Either way, the article does seem to be written like a resume (in my opinion,) and should probably be adjusted to reflect much more on his discovery, rather than his education/aspirations, which seems to weighted much more. But I will note that I would like to Withdraw this nomination. Thanks! SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 15:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You could strike through the parts of your nomination that you don't agree with.! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 *  Redirect to Australopithecus sediba  Seems to fall squarely in the ambit of WP:1E and WP:PSEUDO, and coupled with the WP:COI editing makes me wary, but I'd love to be proved wrong. If there was an interview with Matthew or some other independent, in-depth coverage of him in a WP:RS (which he well may have deserved, but didn't receive), I'd vote keep. Park3r (talk) 13:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Park3r, hope you are well. There have been multiple independent interviews done by companies such as 60 minutes, PBS NOVA, CNN etc. Here are a few links to some but more can be found all over the web. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kL67C_OMUY&ab_channel=EvolutionSoup https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JL-oyuVmeI&ab_channel=CBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0OT2Z50g4g&t=842s&ab_channel=JohnS.Mead Mattyberger (talk) 18:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on the 60 Minutes interview I'm leaning towards weak keep on the basis of WP:GNG. I'm not sure about the others as they seem to fall afoul of WP:BLPSPS.Park3r (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Australopithecus sediba. It's a great story, but it's a great example of WP:1E. It can be covered at the Australopithecus sediba article, no need for a stand-alone article unless something else happens. If it does, the article history will be preserved at the redirect for easy expansion. Jacona (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have also been involved in the discovery of Homo naledi, another new species of human ancestor. I have yet to update this page though with that discovery due to time but will do so soon so that it will show it cannot only be a redirect to A. sediba as there will be two major discoveries. Mattyberger (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


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