Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew J. O'Bryant


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  06:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Matthew J. O'Bryant

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O'Bryant as a US Navy sailor appears to fail the notability criteria for WP:BIO. Although his death is a tragedy (as is anyone's who dies in a terrorist bombing), this One Time Event as an assertion of notability does not merit an encyclopedic bio. — Cactus Writer |   needles  22:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Very tragic but Wikipedia is not a memorial and the subject doesn't meet WP:BIO. Agree with nom. Fletcher (talk) 23:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep No harm in keeping. I'm sure the event was covered in the media. I would support a rigorous edit of his page.  But seems notable to me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You seem to be arguing notability for the event. However, this discussion is about notability of the individual. Notability is not transferable. If you feel this person is directly notable for the event, then you may wish to suggest a merge with Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing. Otherwise, can you offer significant coverage for O'Bryant unrelated to his death that supports WP:BIO? In my searches, I haven't found any. — Cactus Writer |   needles  12:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You are correct. Good point. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge with Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not notable except as someone killed in the notable event and, per WP:NOTMEMORIAL, this article should be deleted. Unusual? Quite  TalkQu  22:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm concerned that this article has been marked for deletion because it is noteworthy that a cryptologic technician was killed by a terrorist bombing while on military assignment near a war zone. It is very rare that an intelligence specialist and/or cryptologist would be assigned in or near a war zone. It is also rare that a cryptologist and/or intelligence specialist would be killed in or near a war zone.  These types of military personnel are typically not serving in war zones for reasons such as to avoid capture given they are knowledgeable of highly classified information. The minimum security clearance a Navy CT must have is Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI), far above the typical top secret clearance. Upon some due diligence here, I found that O'Bryant was temporarily assigned from his command at Ft. Meade, MD to Chief, Office of the Defense Representative in Pakistan.  I believe further discussion on the article is warranted prior to deletion. Additionally, review by military work group peers in the Wikiproject Biography is warranted.(Mattwashdc (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC))
 * Comment I understand your point that his presence at the bombing might be of interest. However, that is still something suited to the article Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing (where it is currently not mentioned) rather than a reason for a separate biography about O'Bryant. — Cactus Writer |   needles  16:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As suggested, I've transcluded this discussion to the military and bio projects. — Cactus Writer |   needles  16:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   — —  Cactus Writer |   needles  15:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   — —  Cactus Writer |   needles  15:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In addition, the bombing of the Marriott in Islamabad is not "in or near a warzone", other than to the extent all of Pakistan is a warzone. And O'Bryant's killing does not seem particularly related to his specialty in any way.  It seems he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Fletcher (talk) 16:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Sandstein   19:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Textbook WP:ONEEVENT. O'Bryant has no notability outside of the hotel bombing. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 21:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Also, Fletcher convincingly refutes Mattwashdc's rationale. TheFeds  04:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Classic NOT MEMORIAL. DGG (talk) 05:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.