Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Prozialeck


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The result was delete. Basing conclusion on established contributor votes and analysis of the sources. Spartaz Humbug! 19:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Matthew Prozialeck

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WP:BLP of a musician, whose claims of notability per WP:NMUSIC are not properly referenced. The notability test for a musician isn't as much about what the article says as it is about how well the article references what it says, but the references here aren't cutting it at all: three of the six are the self-published websites of himself and a colleague, a fourth is a primary source profile on the website of a company with which he has a direct endorsement deal, a fifth is a routine directory entry, and the only source that's fully independent of him is on a freelance music writer's own self-published blog. None of these are reliable sources for the purposes of getting a musician over WP:GNG, and nothing claimed in the article body is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have better sources than this. A musician doesn't automatically get an article on here just because it's possible to provide technical verification that he exists -- a musician gets an article on here when he's the subject of enough media coverage to clear GNG. Bearcat (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:GNG, WP:N, and WP:NMUSIC.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:48, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep If lack of sources is the problem more can be added. This artist has been regarded as an elite and successful harmonica player among many in the blues community with several charting records. I have written about blues music a lot and I thought he warranted inclusion. I have added several sources since your message. The band he worked with Erin Harpe & The Delta Swingers has an article which mentions him. He has also worked with several Grammy winners and nominees that also have articles. The link to Seydel just has a short bio which Is why I linked to it. Reviews mention his contribution . Articles that can back up my claims about and talk about his success I'd be happy to look up more sources, there's plenty there, just didn't know how much was needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BluesmanRobert38 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I would also like to point out that this page has more sources than Erin Harpe & The Delta Swingers which was not deleted despite liking to their own website and youtube account, it's common for people to link to musicians sites — Preceding unsigned comment added by BluesmanRobert38 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is good coverage in the following ..........  Positively Naperville, Friday, November 10, 2017 - ‘Harmonica man’ from Naperville is playing blues big time in Boston ............  Bill Copeland Music News, November 3, 2017  Harmonica man Matt Prozialeck shines as member of Erin Harpe & The Delta Swingers ........... and The Chicago Tribune, July 31, 2015 - Blues band gig becomes permanent for Naperville resident by By Sarah Freishtat. There's also multiple mentions in Blues Blast Magazine. I'm satisfied that it makes it. Sadly the article is untidy and needs a fair bit of work. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 11:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:06, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. He does have a credit with Erin Harpe & the Delta Swingers, as well as a smidgen of coverage with the local newspaper Positvely Naperville. This article in the Chicago Tribune is excellent coverage on just Prozialeck alone. Not enough, however. MidwestSalamander (talk) 14:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above - The article in Positively Naperville is about him and more than a smidgen. It's good coverage. Plus he played in recordings as a band member or is closely associated with notable acts such as Erin Harpe & the Delta Swingers, Matthew Stubbs and GA-20. Notable! Thanks. Karl Twist (talk) 07:45, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Performing in all these acts as a session musician does not prove notability, according to WP:MUSICBIO. That guideline requires being a primary member in at least two notable acts. Also, two featured articles is, in my mind, more proof that he doesn't pass GNG than that he does. A redirect to his primary band would be the best choice until more coverage appears. MidwestSalamander (talk) 15:36, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 *  Keep  (strikeout second BluesmanRobert38 !vote) Prozialeck is talked about heavily in this article in Blues Blast Magazine a very respected source on the blues scene here http://www.bluesblastmagazine.com/issue-12-5-february-1-2018/ He is Notable enough to receive this recognition. There is more than enough sources to consider him "Notable". He also has appeared as the primary soloist on two nationally charting albums. He has performed with grammy nominees Charlie Musselwhite, Luther Dickinson, and Matthew Stubbs He is also appearing on two more releases for Karma Chief Records with GA-20 this year. And he was nominated for a Boston Music Award in the Delta Swingers last year. I do not think there is any question he is notable especially since everyone else mentioned here has their own page on this site. User:BluesmanRobert38  —Preceding undated comment added 00:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * . This is your third !vote at this AfD. You can only vote once (as you did at the top). Britishfinance (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think there's good coverage of him in Positively Naperville and also in Blues Blast Magazine. He was also on releases for Vizztone Records which is a label in blues music and has some very notable acts Jhorton4 (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)


 *  Keep  (strikeout third BluesmanRobert38 !vote) The page now has 17 sources, more than a lot of band pages that are not up for deletion. There has been vast improvements in the article since I created it and has good information on it that is backed up BluesmanRobert38 (talk) 00:23, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * . This is your third !vote at this AfD. You can only vote once (as you did at the top). Britishfinance (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. I can't find any solid RS on this BLP from a proper source outside of minor online sites (of which he is rarely the principal subject).  I definately can't find WP:SIGCOV which I think is important for a BLP – there is no material article on this subject (and where he is the subject) from a full WP:RS? I am struggling to see the basis on which this BLP can avoid deletion? It would help if the Keeps could present an RS that would be SIGCOV on him, but none have been presented so far. Otherwise we fall into the unsustainable situation where his WP BLP is the main source of his notability (it is meant to be the other way around). Britishfinance (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


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