Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mau Penisula


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Mau Penisula

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Fails WP:GNG Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Oceania. Shellwood (talk) 07:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems to pass GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you able to provide sources that demonstrate WP:GNG has been met? @Ortizesp Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * This one here in particular, plus the various references on the page.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The others on the page are all trivial mentions and do not pass WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:30, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You mean the BLOGPOST? That's what you call "significant coverage" from a "reliable source?"  Seriously?  Along with a bunch of primary match reports?  Are you even trying here?   Ravenswing      01:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 07:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete we do not have adequate sourcing that is indepdent of the subject and from reliable sources to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - The first reference on the page calls him a “Tuvaluan legend in Fiji”. This is 100% indisputably nontrivial coverage.  This same user has nominated every Tuvaluan footballer for deletion (more than 50 in like 2 hours) and it is manifestly clear he did not even try to perform WP:BEFORE nor is it possible to in such a short period of time.172.58.110.253 (talk) 06:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Reference 1 is clearly SIGCOV. WP:GNG states that "multiple sources are generally expected", which implies there can be exceptions to this rule.  Given the extreme paucity of information about Tuvalu on the Internet, and the depth of coverage in the source we have, I think an exception is warranted here. Furthermore, looking at his awards section, it seems clear that he meets "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" in WP:BIO, which is not a hard rule, but I think provides more reason to keep in this case. EternalNomad (talk) 07:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - fails WP:GNG. Reference 1 is literally a blog, and certainly not a reliable independent source, so it does not qualify as proof of notability to me, whereas all the others are just passing mentions. --Angelo (talk) 23:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no hard rule that I am aware of saying that blogs are always unreliable. In this specific case, the site has contact information and has been cited by Fiji Times  and MSN, so I think it crosses the threshold for reliability.  172.58.176.152 (talk) 23:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Contact information means anything; anyone can create a Facebook page. The guideline covering your second point is WP:USEBYOTHERS which states that the more widespread and consistent this use is, the stronger the evidence (two mentions don't show much) and if outside citation is the main indicator of reliability, particular care should be taken to adhere to other guidelines and policies, such as, for example, WP:BLP (which this is.) In any case, it doesn't really apply anyway because the Fiji Times is essentially just quoting from/paraphrasing an interview specifically rather than secondary reporting, in addition to using a photo, while the MSN article is literally just using it as a photo source. The few other Google News hits are similar, not really giving credibility. ev iolite   (talk)  00:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPSPS - "Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article." Happy to help you out with that hard rule thing.   Ravenswing      01:01, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The honors mentioned by EternalNomad are simply cups that his team has won (not awarded to him individually) and the Reference 1 that keep !voters mention is not a RS; it's a fan blog with no public editorial standards. It's also not really a secondary source as required for WP:NBIO; it's clear an interview was involved (primary per WP:NOR) and there are also possible elements of POV/promo (it's hard to view "His presence [...] can surely bring good things for the team" and "he would be a great addition for the Tuvaluan side" as neutral when he himself seems to have been a prominent source for the article). In any case, one questionable-at-best source and several trivial mentions aren't enough to pass GNG. ev iolite   (talk)  00:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: No independent, reliable sourcing of this stub. No evidence of notability.  No suggestion that his level of play meets any extant notability criteria.   Ravenswing      00:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I added sources from Fenui News and Fiji Sun. It seems that his surname is also spelled "Peninsula", so that may help find more sources.  EternalNomad (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So noted, but neither source comes remotely close to meeting WP:SIGCOV; they're casual mentions by way of routine match reporting. Do you have anything that constitutes "significant coverage" of the subject?   Ravenswing      10:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - I seem to recall a rule that if a footballer played for the national team or a professional team, then he qualifies. But I cannot find it anymore. Has this rule been retired? Craigwikiman (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the individual sports notability guidelines have been gutted, leaving WP:GNG as the standard. Jacona (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Tuvalu national football team: As a frequent captain with mention on the page, this seems like a good alternative to deletion per WP:ATD-R is certainly worth WP:PRESERVEing, should someone uncover sources from this small nation's small press options. - 2pou (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.