Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mauj Jamshedpuri (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 20:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Mauj Jamshedpuri
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Dubious notability, poorly sourced. A search for sources turns up little, although you might not expect a lot of English language sources for this sort of thing. Maintenance templates asking for more refs are quickly removed by two different accounts and IPs. Possible G4 speedy delete, previously deleted at AFD. Hairhorn (talk) 14:57, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 *  Note: Mauj Jamshedpuri has some of the credits notification for some music labels in India. Refer to the Music Guild of India. I think there might be some confusion with his original names and pen name   -- • Shyamsunder (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC) (comment from IP sock using faked signature, see below)


 * Note: Not sure about exact notability, but came across few on research journal on Jamia-Milia University site. Can anybody please review it here http://www.jmi.ac.in/archives/archives.htm • CordeliaNaismith (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC) — CordeliaNaismith (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

The other thing that amused me was the notability criteria. Who and how it is decided that someone is notable or not. How does a admin sitting in Australia/US knows that if somebody is popular in India or not. Simple thing is that, "He should be in India". Things cannot be decided by number of internet pages fetched by google. Come to India, ask comon people whether you know this person. Or ask a pool of India wikipedia admins whether he knows somebody or not. For example, I was browsing the lower section of the "India debate page for deletion". I find someone has asked to "Keep" Viraf Patel. Now who is Viraf Patel? Does any Indian knows about him. No. If somebody creates his own website and does a junk TV serial, will be become notable? I'm also a journalist for bollywood magazine. Do I know "Viraf patel"?. No. But yes I know Mauj Jamshedpuri, Sardar anjum, hasar Illahabadi, ajay jhingran. They are bollywood poets and mainstream urdu poets. Ask people of India. See the bollywood trade magazine. There is another world apart from Internet and google. I've also written article for Sardar Anjum (surprisingly, its still there), Hasir illahabadi (deleted), Ajay Jhingran (deleted). For Mauj Jamshedpuri, I thought I will raise my voice. If you ask any urdu scholar in India or a scholar doing research on Ghazal and Urdu poetry, they know they have to refer the work and research papers of Mauj jamshedpuri. Ask all the popular ghazal singers in India, whose verses they have sung in their albums. You will find many lyrics written by mauj, sardar and Hasir in the Mp3/music label. You should go to northern India to find their popularity. Thats all I've to tell. Now its your decision. But before questioning integrity of someone, please ponder that someone can have challenges with software and its technology. Regards. • Akash_anand59 (talk) 10:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC) — Akash_anand59 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Request for keep:I'm amused by the allegation made by hairhorn. I wouldn't have put my comments otherwise I thought I should because to prove my integity. I' a doctor and my age is 52 and is almost double the age of my fellow wikipedians. Only one constraint I have was, though I only want to write articles only on current generation classical urdu shayars of india, who are all noted by progressive writers association(PWA).And my constraint is I don't know how to use wikipedia correctly. Thats why hairhorn is correct saying that AFDs are removed. Yes I removed it multiple times, because I was wondering why it was getting changes. Then I realized that hairhorn left a message to come to debate page. Here I'm at the debate page, but still now I'm not sure whether I'm using the technology properly as it is very hard to read the user manuals.
 * With due respect Akash Anand, this is a question of Verifiability. Since you are a journalist, if you add references for reviews for Mauj Jamshedpuri's work in magazines and newspapers (like the trade magazine you mention) or his interviews, there will be no problem in keeping this article. For Wikipedia, verifiability is important. People vote to keep "Viraf Patel" not because he is known across India, but because he meets the wikipedia notability criteria for entertainers/actors and it is verifiable from news reports. For an author the relevant guideline is WP:AUTH. Multiple published books with reviews in newspapers and magazines. You are asking for the doubters to come to india and verify for themselves. That is not how things work in Wikipedia. Here the burden of proof is on the creator - you should be providing the proof that he has done all the things the article says he has done. It is not up to us to go and do the research to proof he is notable - it is upto you.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * User: Akash_anand59 has been blocked for abusing multiple accounts, see the sock investigation page. I have blanked the other keep votes made by this user using sock accounts, here is the version of this page previous to this one. I have also asked User:Shyamsunder to confirm their comment above, since it was posted by an IP who pasted in the signature and also did several dubious test edits to the AFD page. Hairhorn (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have not voted or commented on this nomination at all. Surprised with the vote using my name. Shyamsunder (talk) 07:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-notable. No significant coverage. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.