Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Bernstein (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. joe deckertalk to me 04:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Max Bernstein (musician)

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First off, I should just say that I am the subject of this page and asked on Teahouse about this and the volunteers were quite helpful - the exchange is here. I believe this page should be deleted because I, the subject, do not meet the notability requirements. I am the touring guitarist for someone who very rightfully has their own page and was once in a band that has their own page (though to me that seems dubious as well). At any rate, I looked at the [|notability guidelines for musicians] and feel that I meet none of them. Other hired touring musicians for famous singers on the whole do not have Wikipedia pages, and while it is an honor that some very big fans of the artist I play for take the time to add to this page, I do feel quite silly having one, especially one that basically consists of every piece of information publicly available about me. At any rate, I do understand that the goal of Wikimedia is to provide the world with more information, not less -- but nonetheless I do not meet the notability guidelines.

Guideline 1 comes the closest, as there have been articles about the group Max and the Marginalized in newspapers which are referenced on the page -- however those are not about me, they are about Max and the Marginalized. All the remaining guidelines are a resounding no -- I hope that the editors recognize this and that one day I accomplish more as a musician and meet the guidelines for real -- until then I'd just like to practice and keep playing. Thanks! Tacomailman (talk) 08:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Although Bernstein doesn't meet the critera at WP:BAND, there's sufficient coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. However, where notability is borderline, there's precedent for deleting BLP articles at the subject's request. If Tacomailman has reasons beyond basic notability for wanting the article removed (and can provide basic evidence via OTRS of his identity), I think we should respect his wishes. However, if this nomination is purely based on Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, the article should stay per GNG. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 09:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment The coverage in reliable sources are either about The Actual or my folks who all have pages. Anyways, thank you for the OTRS link -- I can't figure out which one to use for identity verification though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tacomailman (talk • contribs) 18:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 18:17, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say the Washington Post and AZCentral ones are definitely about Max Bernstein the person, rather than the band he was in at the time - certainly they have enough coverage of the man himself to get past GNG. That said, I'm not making a Keep argument here - the coverage is pretty borderline, so if you really want it gone I'm not going to argue. The email address for identity verification is [mailto:info-en@wikimedia.org info-en@wikimedia.org]. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 09:08, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete on grounds that subject is of marginal notability, subject has specifically requested deletion, and any important content can be distributed elsewhere. If kept however, the current draft is creepily written with too much personal detail too early in the article, that needs to be fixed.  Let the man cash in with Kesha in the meantime.--Milowent • hasspoken  03:52, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I made some quick fixes.--Milowent • hasspoken 03:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Right? Why did someone feel the need to write about the details of my birth? Anyway at what point is the discussion considered closed and I can delete this? Thanks Milowent. Tacomailman (talk) 04:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article has been "relisted" for another 7 days because there wasn't enough discussion above to reach a consensus conclusion. I am a pretty fervent "inclusionist" so I hope others will take my views into account here as supporting deletion.  (As for why the detail in the article, its because someone was probably trying to show you were notable and was gathering up all the facts they could.)--Milowent • hasspoken  12:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete an argument could be made for inclusion, but it would be pretty borderline. There doesn't appear to be much to make the subject any more notable than any other touring musician.  Harrias  talk 16:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.