Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Birbraer


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The result was   keep. References found by seem to clinch it.. Mojo Hand (talk) 16:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Max Birbraer

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I am not finding the necessary coverage to meet WP:GNG for this hockey player, maybe there are sources for him in Israeli media? Definitely fails WP:NHOCKEY. Yosemiter (talk) 23:48, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Comment Holding vote at the moment, but there is some coverage - mainly of the fringe coverage sort ("Israel has hockey players?!" (not a big sport locally, weather isn't too conductive...)). e.g. - - but it is fairly sparse.Icewhiz (talk) 06:43, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That is why I was asking since I could not find any. Unfortunately we are going to need more than that one source as it only has one paragraph about him being drafted and borders on WP:ROUTINE coverage. Yosemiter (talk) 15:56, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Based on what I can tell he plays in the English Premier Ice Hockey League which is the top tier league in England, which means he meets #1 in WP:NHOCKEY. -  Galatz Talk  13:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Number 1: please read NHOCKEY again. Nowhere does it say "top tier league in a country/nation"; it says "Played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league" period. If you read the line directly above that (the very first line in NHOCKEY); For lists of the leagues considered to satisfy each of the criteria below, please see the ice hockey league assessment maintained by the Ice Hockey WikiProject. All other leagues do not meet the specified criteria. The EPIHL is not among them for assumed notability. (It is based on research into players in listed leagues on the likelihood that they would meet GNG per the listed criteria. It does not mean that players that participate in those leagues automatically fail, just that playing in them is not an automatic assumed notability.) Number 2:The EPIHL is arguably not even the top level team in the UK, that could likely be the EIHL. However, it does not matter because regular players in these leagues have not been proven to gain significant independent coverage to meet GNG by playing in said leagues. Please provide non-routine sources to back his notability. Yosemiter (talk) 14:23, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Would you care to respond to my reply? Yosemiter (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep clearly fails NHOCKEY, however the Globe and Mail ran a story about him and Antropov here, and I don't know how good this source is. Also discussed in this book on coaching.18abruce (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Sourced him to profiles/feature stories in 5 newspapers Toronto Star, National Post, The Forward, South Wales Echo and Globe and Mail, from each of which bio is now sourced and from which it could be expanded.  Added coverage of playing career.  and I didn't even get to bottom of first page of the news archive search. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't read most of those sources (behind a paywall?), but based on the titles (since they mention him by name) and the source they come from, I would be fine with removing my nomination. Yosemiter (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, I used Proquest. Articles are as headlines imply.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)


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