Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Bollinger (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:12, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Max Bollinger
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Submitting this AfD in accordance with WP:AGF, as an anonymous editor prodded the article but it is ineligible due to a past AfD. Concerns include WP:N and promotion. A more full explanation is available on the article talk page. I am neutral. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment While his acting and narrating work seems to be filled with roles where production took advantage of his being a native speaker of Russian, and so fails on WP:ENT, if his books he has written, co-written, or narrated have been reviewed, he might be seen to pass WP:AUTHOR. Article could greatly benefit by cleanup.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 08:43, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I am the editor who originally suggested the deletion. Subject appears non-notable and article is probable self-promotion.  Google searches indicate subject is a bit-part actor, appearing in a minor role a single episode of a UK science fiction TV show (Doctor Who - he appears 11th on a cast list of 14 in my BBC episode guide), and a handful of blink-and-you'd-miss-them walk-ons.  On this basis, seems not to meet WP:ENT  Subject has web site promoting his self-recorded audio-books and Russian language courses.  The "bibliography" in article links to these audiobooks: he is the narrator not the author.  Does not seem to meet WP:AUTHOR  Article written by one author and one other ISP - possible/probably self-authorship.


 * Followed up MichaelQSchmidt's excellent idea re looking for reviews of subject's work as a narrator. The only reviews I could locate were on subject's personal web page. ((http://www.interactive.eu.com/chekhov_story_1_reviews.html))  While there are several reviews, all but one are personal comments from individual readers.  Only one is from a recogniseable source The Observer and gives a one-sentence mention of his reading style.


 * Per a previous editor's suggestion, I have tidied the article. 81.148.218.37 (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * With respects, and understanding your opinion that the topic is non-notable, your removing the entire bibliography and all the external links might make it a bit difficult for others to research and judge the fellow's body of work for themselves, so I have moved them to the article's talk page in the hope that other editors might find the information useful in their researching this individual without them having to look through earlier versions. As the article asserts his being an actor, writer and producer and voice-over actor, I think it reasonable that others see why the assertion exists even if no longer covered in detail within the body of the article. Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:37, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * With hindsight, I concur (although my intention was to improve rather than weaken the article) and I appreciate your actioning. Thank you! :) 81.148.218.37 (talk) 22:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Full understanding of the good faith efforts.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:49, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as completely lacking WP:RS. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisting rationale: The best argument in favour of keeping that I can see is that he might meet WP:AUTHOR, but nobody seems to have expanded on that or provided any evidence. This relist is to allow an opportunity for such evidence to be provided, failing which, it is likely to end in a "delete" or "no consensus". HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   01:55, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I did try to expand on it (see above) but, despite some hefty googling, there wasn't anything to expand upon. What scant 'evidence' there is, it's on his own website. 81.148.216.102 (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete minor actor not notable and no reliable independent sources (imdb wasn't the last time I checked). --Joopercoopers (talk) 01:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.