Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Cater


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The result was   delete. The article's subject is found to not be notable. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 01:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Max Cater

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Non-notable taekwando competitor - did not compete at the highest level. Peter Rehse (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Has represented GB taekwondo and won major tournaments.--Egghead06 (talk) 17:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. GB Taekwondo is an affiliate of the World Taekwondo Federation; the Bosnia Open, Turkish Open, and Swiss Open are not the highest level of competition for that organization (which would be the WTF World Taekwondo Championships and/or the Olympics). I do not believe that the levels of competition described for the article's subject satisfies WP:MANOTE criterion 4 (and has no evidence of satisfying the standards' other options). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Criterion 4 says "4.Repeated medalist (as an adult black belt, i.e. 1st dan equivalent or higher rank) in another significant event; - (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament". He is a repeated medalist in a significant event with competitors from multiple nations and in a significant national tournament and in addition to those competitions mentioned above, he was also a 2014 Commonwealth Championships category winner. The concept of "highest level" is not mentioned in this criterion and was a view and concept of notability introduced by the deletion proposer.--Egghead06 (talk) 06:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The basic criteria for WP:ATHLETE says they've participated in "competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics)." Papaursa (talk) 10:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Part of the wording is also "participated in a major international amateur", so you don't have to have been in the Olympics to satisfy this!--Egghead06 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete Has not competed at the highest level--no major international competitions. He is currently ranked 35th in the under 54 kg division by the WTF. That's his highest lifetime ranking but I don't think that's sufficient to show he's notable. I think this article was created WP:TOOSOON. No objections to putting this in someone's sandbox.Mdtemp (talk) 17:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Appreciate that I am flogging a dead horse here but there were over 500 competitors at the 2014 Commonwealth Taekwondo Championships - and this is not major (!) - oh well!! --Egghead06 (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)--Egghead06 (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I would say that 500 competitors is not much in the grand scheme of things - only my opinion of course - but I have been in single sport competitions with 3X that number which I don't consider major. It might warrant an article on the competition itself but not a participant. Peter Rehse (talk) 18:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete He appears to be on an upward trajectory, but right now I don't think he meets WP:ATHLETE. The coverage appears to be routine sports reporting which doesn't meet WP:GNG.  He may become notable, so I would advocate for userfying the article, but it's WP:TOOSOON to keep it in the main article space. Papaursa (talk) 11:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * 'weak keep' Comment. Criterion 4 says "4.Repeated medalist (as an adult black belt, i.e. 1st dan equivalent or higher rank) in another significant event; - (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament". 172.56.22.48 (talk) 13:47, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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