Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Vergara Poeti


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Closed early per IAR. Not only was AcademieIT the only substainial editor to the article and requested deletion, it also seems that this is a tie in to a hoax. Come on people... there were two perfectly good CSD criteria sitting in front of your face. There was no reason to keep this AFD open. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  ark  // 23:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Max Vergara Poeti

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 * Delete: despite this article met Wikipedia Policy, the subject of the article asked for its immediate removal, under the charges that his life has been private and his biography too. As the subject of this biography has not authorize it, he wants it to be deleted immediately. I agree as one must respect other people's wishes, and as the subject of the article has also asked for removal of other articles about him on internet. In the end, is his right of privacy and his claim is valid and true. I think this should be respected, despite the article was perfect and had no problem before. AcademieIT (talk) 14:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: I don't think this person is notable enought to have an article here. There aren't enough sources and I doubt that a child can get a "degree in composition and musical aesthetics" from a major conservatoire. I don't think he has any right to control the information published about him that belongs to his public and professional activities (articles etc.). If HE wants to request the removal of his bio, he should contact the foundation directly.--Karljoos (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ???? Just some comments. (1) If he is notable, we decide if he merits an article, not him. (2) The use of the word "child" should not be taken to mean that he obtained these qualifications at age 6 or 10; it could be careless use of English by a non-English-speaking writer who simply meant he was young. (3) The article says that critics have described him as "one of the most precocious and original voices of his generation" which sounds pretty respectable to me. On the other hand, (4) The Fondation Princess Grace of which he is supposed to be Art Counselor does not mention him (the site's fault possibly). (5) Neither does the Fondazione Alice Asburgo Lorena website, though, interestingly they do have two Poeti-Marentini von Habsburg-Lothringens and a Poeti-Marentini. All very puzzling.
 * Delete Many US libraries have extensive collections of Latin American literature, and some do of Italian, yet WorldCat includes nothing by the author, and none of the titles, except "Seis poemas de Robert Frost" for which they list another person as responsible, and give the date of publication as 1963 not 2002. WP:Book sources includes no Colombian libraries, but it does include 3 Italian universities, and Karlsruhe Union Catalog includes the National Library of Italy: none of the 4 include any works of his. And, more definitively, The National Library of Columbia   indeed does have an online catalog--which I will add to Book sources. It's at  and it does not include any books of his. I conclude he is not regarded as a significant author in either country. I am in general not willing to pay much heed to what the subject prefers, & out policy is that doing so is restricting to marginal cases and even so is entirely optional. But this does not matter here, for, regardless of his wishes one way or the other, we have no justification for including it.    DGG ( talk ) 23:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * btw, I;'ve found a very good source with links to National library catalogs, [hhttp://www.library.uq.edu.au/natlibs/], from University of Queensland, & I will be adding all of the ones we do not presently have. The number available is much greater than it was a few years ago, so we finally do have good sources for Latin America in addition to the ones for Argentina and Brazil. .     DGG ( talk ) 23:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as a possible hoax unless somebody other than User:AcademieIT can verify that the sources cited support this article. While the family may exist, the individual is questionable: . That DGG finds a different author of one of his listed works is suggestive. Following a complaint to OTRS from a German researcher indicating that this contributor was manufacturing fake articles under this name and User:Academie (2009121810004629), a source check of some of his contributions failed. For instance, the now-deleted Louise Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld was sourced in part to 1975's I granduchi di Toscana della casa Asburgo-Lorena. Obscure, but an OTRS agent who had access checked it and found no mention of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld. She also found that the book only covered events up to 1859. According to that article, the subject lived from 1882-1957. Her parents were born in 1854 and 1856, respectively. Two articles by this contributor, that one and Prince Ferdinand Rainieri Habsburg-Lorraine, have been deleted as hoaxes by two separate administrators. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per MRG Avi (talk) 02:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This article, just for the record, should had been removed on Saturday, February 13th 2010 according db-g7 policies, as no one had modified or edited its content before. Users Uncle Dick (talk) and Beeblebrox declined abusively my legitimate db-g7 request, ignoring that no one had modified before the content of the article but me, and my request was based in good faith. More information on: How to delete a page. AcademieIT (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.