Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maximilien de Hoop Cartier


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The result was   delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Maximilien de Hoop Cartier

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Ridiculous hagiography cobbled together from unlikely sources including trademark registration filing. If the subject is notable, there should be no shortage of reliable, third party coverage to support the claim. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - the sources do not relate to the subject of the article at all, or have only passing mentions. For a sample, his alleged alma mater's website does not even mention him (go ahead, use the search engine therein), nor does the Brunel hotel website, and this source is about the launch of his beer line. The whole coverage reeks of WP:UPANDCOMING. Bearian (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Miles of claims to fame and not a single actual assertion of notability. Fails WP:BIO. § FreeRangeFrog 06:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with above, the introducing paragraph is greatly exaggerated and the following sections are written like a narrative and not an encyclopedic biography.Pjposullivan (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think that Bearian looked at the non-English references in La Nación, El Cronista, and Ámbito Financiero, all of which are reliable sources. While I cannot read Spanish, it's abundantly clear that all three talk directly about the subject of this article in detail. Coverage in three major newspapers is plenty to satisfy WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I am fluent in Spanish. I looked at the sources. This one and this one cannot be considered WP:RS, and the second even says at the bottom that the source is La Nacion anyway. This one, this one and this one seem more reliable (the third one is regional in scope). So basically, this guy is known for importing artisan beers into Argentina. So yes, he has had some coverage for that. Three articles. I'll leave it to other editors to consider that. The rest of the article is an unsubstantiated puff piece with a storm of irrelevant external links to add volume. § FreeRangeFrog 19:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I am looking at the Spanish sources now; I can read un poco -- and Google Translate helps. :-) This source, a "Drinks and beers" blog is very chatty - essentially, it says that a friend directed the blogger to a beer made by Cartier, which is between the high and low ends of the market and has no preservatives or artificial flavors but is made from 100% malt; it does not mention Cartier himself. This retail industry online magazine does quote Cartier himself, but it reads more like a press release, as it merely links six paragraphs of quotes from him, without any analysis.  This article appears to be from a reliable source and is actually about Cartier.  This article calls Cartier a "craft (artisinal) brewer".  So perhaps he does barely pass notability, having two good sources, but even so, the article needs a total re-writing. I can be convinced to change my mind, but I'd like to see what others say first. Bearian (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


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