Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maxwell Rockman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. —Centrx→talk &bull; 00:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Maxwell Rockman

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Asserts notability as photographer, but zero Google hits, unlikely premise (renowned photographer at age 17?) Anyway, not verifiable as is. NawlinWiki 15:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as hoax. Book sources do not exist, gallery probably does not exist. His parents do exist and get more ghits than he does (his mother was on a plane with a disturbance in late 2001, dad's an IP lawyer, neither qualifies under WP:N). --Dhartung | Talk 19:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if his parents were noteworthy that would be no reason to have an article on him. -- Hoary 23:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I was implying that he is less notable than his non-notable parents. --Dhartung | Talk 03:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails verifiability WP:V, but also fails WP:Notability for artists or photographers even if the information could be verified. TheMindsEye 21:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete what looks like something written after a beer or three. -- Hoary 23:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * keep He did win the Amateur photographer of the year 2002. Is a student at Miami University. -- Bobthefatass 01:34, 10 January 2007 (UTH)
 * This user ID has a fascinating contributions list: two blatant cases of vandalism, and now this "keep" vote. -- Hoary 07:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Bobthefatass's comment illustrate one of the problems with this article, the lack of verifiability. Where is the documentation for his award as the "Amateur photographer of the year 2002" and who is this International Society of Photographers who awarded Rockman this title? Well a little research yields an a great deal of information about the group -- apparently they send out hundreds of these awards that come with invitations to attend their conventions where "EVERY photographer who attends is presented with an "Amateur Photographer of the Year" award." Click here for a news article on this organization's sister group, The International Library of Photography.  TheMindsEye 13:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * KEEP As a Junior at the Tisch School of the Arts at NYU, we are given insight into young artists, some younger than ourselves, from all over the world who are creating notable works. Maxwell Rockman is someone whose work we have looked at. In fact he visited NYU this November and shared some of his ideas on capturing what he calls ' moments of reality' with a camera. His work is very intriguing and is certainly worthy of merit. As for the books, they are exclusive art books that were only available to art institutions. We have the books here at Tisch and from what I heard from some of my professors, the books were only printed for a short time. The gallery Roy was a small gallery that featured young and old artists alike. It closed two years ago because the owner died. From what I remember( I visited it 3 years ago) the owner, who was very old and had a ton of money( again, this is what one of my professors told me), displayed all many different pieces from different artists that he thought were outstanding. He had no website and the gallery was only open for a two years. I do remember a small article in the Times about it which prompted me to see it for myself. I believe I know who this bobthefatass character is. He may, in fact, be one of our professors who proclaimed, after Maxwell left, that someone like him should have a wikipedia page. I cannot tell you why there were two cases of vandalism, but I do know that our professors are not too fond of Wikipedia and one, I'm not going to name names, showed us a page he "reworked," which was quickly changed back to its original state. From what I have read, this article is fairly accurate, and I see no reason to remove it. [[User: photogdelriowiki] 4:22, 10 Jan. 2007
 * Username's first edit. -- Hoary 00:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is, indeed, my first "edit" for I came across this discussion when looking up Rockman just for fun on Wikipedia( after remembering what my professor said). I thought I might throw in my two cents, because this article is true( and humorous...I recieved the same award as did everyone else!). In small art circles, mainly fine arts colleges and photogrpahy groups, Mr. Rockman is considered one of the new age photogrpahers who is creating great art. Having his name, as well as a small bio, in such a public database, is an excellent way for him to become 'known.' As said before, he is recognized, but not by everyday 'casual' photogrpahers who would certainly get a kick out of his work. User:Photogdelriowiki 8:27, 10 Jan. 2007
 * This is exactly the point -- Wikipedia is not a soapbox or forum for becoming known, Wiki is an encyclopedia or repository of knowledge. If you believe so strongly in Mr. Rockman, then wait for him to become notable and we will all happily help you create a fine article on his work.  TheMindsEye 02:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe you miss the point that the creator is trying to make. This is an article about an artist, that at least is known by professionals. If Wikipedia monitors, like yourselves, choose to delete it, then why not delete articles relating to things like certain bacteria that only a few scientists care about. He is a reference, just like bacteria. What I meant about becoming known is that he can be accessed by other individuals without knowledge of him to gain insight into new artists. User: Photogdelriowiki 10:45, 10 jan 2007
 * I'm not accustomed to the comparison of photographers and bacteria, but the novelty has a certain charm. Two things are involved here: (i) the verifiability of the facts claimed for the photographer/bacterium, and (ii) the meeting of notability criteria for photographers/bacteria. That a bacterium is unknown to anyone outside a group of scientists is beside the point. As for photographers, Pierre Rossier is probably very little known, but he gets an article because the claims made for him within it are verifiable and because of his roles both of pioneer and of teacher of photographers as notable as Ueno Hikoma. -- Hoary 04:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * keep there seem to be sufficient sources for notability, even discounting the appeals of the guy's students. DGG 02:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And what might these "sources for notability" be, DGG? -- Hoary 07:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone provides reliable sources for the claims. Nuttah68 14:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Robertissimo 14:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.