Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/May Weyni massacre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus delete, as already covered in the other article. A redirect at this point is probably not the best option. Tone 13:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

May Weyni massacre

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Event fails WP:NEVENT and WP:GNG. Current version has 9 references: Annys/Atlas and TGHAT are WP:SELFPUB, SkyNews is the only one of consequence, and the remaining 6 (World radio, Euronews, CBC, Guardian, France24, Tibebu) don't mention the incident and are WP:COATRACK.

The only good citation (Sky News, which I just added) mentions the town, date and 80 casualties. A single article does not pass the bar for NEVENT, and stripping the article of the SELFPUB and COATRACK citations (and their content) would leave about two sentences — which is included already in Casualties of the Tigray War and Timeline of the Tigray War series.

This article was part of a group of 106 almost-identical articles created by a now-blocked sockpuppet and were the subject of a prior AfD which was closed as "procedural keep" because 106 articles were too many bundled together for other editors to be able to effectively evaluate them in a single AfD. (43 of the original 106 have since been deleted, and another 28 turned into redirects.) Platonk (talk) 07:30, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Platonk (talk) 07:30, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom and previous AFDs. Mztourist (talk) 14:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Casualties_of_the_Tigray_War on the strength of the added Sky News reference added by nominator and its presence in the target article. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Several reasons that is not really a workable idea. (1) Circular redirects are not acceptable. (2) The content and citation are already there. (3) There are no internet search engine results for "May Weyni massacre" except to this Wikipedia article and all the scraped copies of this Wikipedia article. The reason for that is the now-blocked editor invented all 106 'massacre' titles himself; they were not born from media coverage, he was using Wikipedia for his own WP:ADVOCACY. Meaning that no one would be searching Wikipedia for "May Weyni massacre". Please read WP:Redirect § Purposes of redirects, and then answer: What would be the purpose of keeping a redirect by this name? Platonk (talk) 18:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * (1) Any AfD resulting in a redirect must have any preexisting links back to the original removed to avoid circularity. (2) The fact that the content and the citation are already at the target article is why I proposed a redirect rather than a merge. (3) Having read the Sky News reference you supplied and which I linked above, I suggest that "massacre" is a reasonable, more common language and, thus, useful search term for a prospective reader searching for information on the reported extrajudicial killing of 80 local inhabitants of that particular village. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 16:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * redirect to a more general article on the war (such as that suggested). There is a civil war in progress in Ethiopia, in which some very unpleasant events (to say the least) are said to have taken place.  We need one article on that war, or a series on different stages of it, with one overall outline article, not a series of them on individual events however atrocious.  This series of massacre articles should not be allowed to remain as individual articles.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There are already such articles as you suggest (see this navbar). The problem with these 106 'massacre' articles is that they were sourced by the editor's own self-published off-Wikipedia documents. He also invented these massacre titles; they are not used by the general media. If the media had been using the term that matches this article title, then I would have performed a blank-and-redirect rather than AfD. Prior to nominating any (or several) of these 106 articles for deletion, I will have already checked and updated Timeline of the Tigray War and Casualties of the Tigray War, which is where the information should have gone in the first place, not a standalone article. If there are no reliable sources for the event, then you probably won't see them mentioned in those two articles. Platonk (talk) 04:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.