Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maynooth Philosophical Papers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Maynooth University. While there is no need to merge, nor consensus for this to remain as an article, there's no reason not to redirect it to where it's mentioned in case a reader is looking for information. Star  Mississippi  01:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Maynooth Philosophical Papers

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As part of cleaning up efforts to bring the article in line with our writing guide (prior version here), I've looked into this journal more closely and... I just can't find any indication of notability. It's not indexed in any selective databases, and there's no substantial coverage that I can find per WP:GNG.

I could be convinced of merging to Maynooth University, but it's already mentioned Maynooth University and that might be sufficient. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:48, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:48, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:52, 30 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Utterly insignificant, a mention at Maynooth University is more than enough. Fails both WP:NJournals and WP:GNG. --Randykitty (talk) 16:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Maynooth University as an alternative to deletion. StAnselm (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I suggest keeping the entry. Although the journal is small, it does attract frequent citations from other scholars who are in no way connected with it. A quick check on Google Scholar indicates 28 citations just on the first page. A search in Google Books yields a similar positive result, i.e., numerous references. The journal is also of significance in the Irish context, as indicated by its mention in the Irish Times. It is internationally accessible through the database of the Philosophy Documentation Center. Wissembourg (talk) 12:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but "28 citations just on the first page" is quite frankly pitiable. Insofar as a negative can be proven, this proves lack of notability... --Randykitty (talk) 12:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This wouldn't make a scholar notable. Let alone an entire journal. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect, since there's an obvious target. Agree with nom, chiming in to say that the Irish Times mention is just that - a mention. (In the journal founder's obituary.) -- asilvering (talk) 06:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Philosophy is not a large academic area but Worldcat reports this journal, now on its third decade of continuous publication is held in academic libraries worldwide. For example, Tuskegee University (Alabama), Tilburg University Library (Netherlands), Bayerische Staatsbibliothek (Germany), Brunel University London (UK), Universidad de Navarra (Spain) .  Unless someone versed in philosophy can dispute that this is a key journal in the field, I think it's a keeper.  Can someone identify some (WP:LAWYERING) technicality for which the article should be deleted?  Maybe (but probably not).  But the wikipedia would be poorer for the effort if this were deleted. XavierItzm (talk) 12:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Saying Worldcat reports this journal is like saying a phonebook reports that you exist. It's trivial coverage, and does not pass WP:GN nor WP:NJOURNALS.&#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's hardly "wikilawyering" to ask that article topics pass either the general notability guideline or a subject-specific guideline. This is absolutely not a "key journal" in the field of philosophy (which is an entire discipline - what definition of "large academic area" are you using, that it manages to not be one?). -- asilvering (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , we have 231 journals with articles in the general Category:philosophy journals (which by no means is complete), plus another bunch in 11 subcategories. Indeed, your idea of a small academic area is rather peculiar. --Randykitty (talk) 08:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Note: This article, in its current form, does not amount to much more than an entry in a list of philosophy journals. The information it contains is readily available elsewhere, for example, here and here. The original version of the entry went beyond this trivial kind of information by including quotations from the journal itself, to illustrate its purpose and contribution to Irish higher education. Unfortunately, an editor felt that this amounted to nothing more than "undue" "puffery." It might be worth considering the entry in its original form. Wissembourg (talk) 09:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Please note that quotations from the journal itself (even if it would not be UNDUE puffery) do not contribute to notability. Of course, lengthy statements on the journal's "ethos" are UNDUE puffery and was absolutely correct in removing that stuff. --Randykitty (talk) 11:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * It should be pointed out that the nom deleted 55% of the article (which had perfectly valid sourcing per wikipedia policy) and then immediately nominated it for deletion. Wow. (!!!) XavierItzm (talk) 16:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sourcing wasn't the issue for what was cut, relevance and puffery was the issue. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:54, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   14:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If it had still been there, I'd removed that cruft the moment I saw this AfD... --Randykitty (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Maynooth University. It's reasonable to have something on this journal, and to be able to link the title should we cite a paper published in it, but there just doesn't appear to be enough to say about it that we need an article. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: I've made a few changes and additions, in the hope to improve the article while taking into consideration the criticisms made by some editors. The article is now succinct, avoids any undue praise, but still contains some worthwhile (and documented) information.Wissembourg (talk) 17:26, 21 August 2022 (UTC)


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