Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayolee (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  23:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Mayolee
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I cannot see the copy of the previous version of this article but I don't think that nothing much has changed since April, 2023. It is flooded with unreliable, music download websites thus fails the general notability guidelines. Also, be weary when reviewing the sources. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 12:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians,  and Nigeria. Reading Beans (talk) 12:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment, of the 60+ refs in the article, which are the 3-5 best per WP:GNG you can think of? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * These are some of the best four.
 * https://sunnewsonline.com/i-see-hear-feel-music-beyond-my-physical-boundary-mayolee/
 * https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/04/mayolee-samples-nigerian-made-audio-interface-sokay-cs-22/
 * https://guardian.ng/saturday-magazine/in-awolowo-mayolee-blends-creativity-and-skill/
 * https://spurplayafrica.com/entertainment-%26-culture/f/from-the-studio-and-soon-to-the-stage-heres-mayolee
 * These are other notable sources i just found
 * https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/04/mayolee-samples-nigerian-made-audio-interface-sokay-cs-22/
 * https://independent.ng/i-owe-the-world-a-lot-music-prodigy-mayolee/ Tifesheldon (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Saw this one too about his forth coming album but i think will be considered promotional so i didn't include it. https://independent.ng/mayolee-to-drop-new-album-tomorrow/ Tifesheldon (talk) 18:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, I hope this meets you well. In details i narrated my reason for re-creating this page to the users who nominated the previous page for deletion. Both of them gave me a go ahead saying I am free to recreate it if I'm sure the subject is notable and has been poorly represented as i claimed. The article was formerly created by a certain Hillsmedia, so I am unaware why it was deleted.
 * I agreed with the users on their decision to nominate the page for deletion as the subject was represented poorly and only as Mayolee, plus the article had multiple issues, from grammatical errors to non existent and repeated links. Some of the writing looked promotional as well and I related that to the users. However the subject only took just the name Mayolee last year when he released an album but has been known since 2013 by the names Oluwole/Mayo/Mayo MuziQ and now Mayolee. I am a Christian and I live in the same region as this subject, the songs Jesus (You Are Able) by Ada, Joy Overflow by Joe Praize and Way Maker by Sinach are quite popular and go to songs in churches both in Africa and around the world with sufficient evidences on Youtube. I found it inaccurate to say the record producer behind these songs is not notable as a Nigerian record producer, hence i took the time to consolidate in my article the major notable songs he's produced and every record he is being credited as producer. The afore deleted article only covered subject as Mayolee, which like i said was not enough.
 * In one of the comments, one of the users said the person is not notable because he only produced Way Maker, has one review on his album and tried to sue the artist, besides that nothing else. I found that kinda inaccurate because Way Maker is not just any song, all songs don't get to have a Wikipedia page.
 * I got to know of the subject when i was making a research on EndSars. I saw a reportage by DW News and one of the notable Nigerians interviewed is Mike Oluwole (https://www.dw.com/en/nigeria-marks-independence-in-shadow-of-endsars/video-59384511). I included the reportage on the End Sars wikipedia article and afterwards googled Mike/Michael Oluwole and the other two persons. As I searched for Mike Oluwole, my research led me to Oluwole/Mayo/Mayo MuziQ and Mayolee. This is the reason i decided to create a page for this subject as i was surprised he is behind some of the most popular christian songs out of Nigeria.
 * In my conclusion, the difference - i would say - between this page and the one that got deleted is that this page is able to establish that the subject didn't only produce Way Maker by Sinach, He produced Jesus (You are able) by Ada and Joy Overflow by Joe Praize which are notably popular Christian songs out of Nigeria, and to the effect i do believe qualifies him as one of Nigeria's notable record producers.
 * Also I am new around here on wikipedia and realised that i made a big mistake not knowing i should send this article to more experienced editors to look at it and guide. So, I am more than happy to be guided on how this works from a more 'experienced level". Thank you! Tifesheldon (talk) 19:48, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tifesheldon, a thousand and one articles interviewing the subject is not independent. Reliable? Yes. Independent? No. That’s all. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 03:46, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean…doesn’t equal independent truly. My reason howbeit for looking for any and everything song this subject is credited on as producer was because I thought if editors could see how much he’s done alongside the notable pieces of music he’s produced, they might understand why i believe he’s notable. Not because I thought the more citations the better, definitely not. Just didn’t know better as a new wikipedia editor.
 * Another thing I like to bring forward is the fact that the media will not give much attention to behind the scene creatives like engineers and producers, except these creatives have a paid PR team. It’s safe to say that even most ‘notable’ artists have paid PR team who interface with news media and all. So the issue of reliability/independent source is still subjective to an extent.
 * Creatives like record producers, mix and mastering engineers don’t get as much media coverage as the artists they collaborate with, and truth is most of them don’t even think it’s necessary. They just focus on more work and more credit.
 * I think editors should consider notable works and a fair amount of reliable/independent media sources for creatives like engineers and record producers. I definitely believe this subject is notable, as one of the music he produced has gained global notability with several records to show for it, alongside that he has produced other notable songs which i tagged in my first comment. I think those with a fair reliable/independent media sources, his page should not be deleted. Tifesheldon (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Tifesheldon, do you firmly believe he is notable even when I’m proven those sources (save for The Guardian are interviews? Or do you wish for it to be draftified and accepted via AfC when it meets the criteria for inclusion? Best, Reading Beans (talk) 13:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I just took time to read the Reliable sources and Notability and i perfectly get what you me by independent sources. Thank you @Reading Beans . I am happy for you to move it to draft. As time goes on, if i find such sources about the subject, I'll include them in the article. Thank you! Tifesheldon (talk) 16:47, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Reading Beans, when later reliable sources are found on the subject, should the song credits remain or be removed? Tifesheldon (talk) 11:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  13:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nominator. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 14:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nominator. Whinyharedy (talk) 10:30, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. In addition to the above comments, the subject has 166 monthly listeners on Spotify. (Nigerian musicians often have a YouTube channel, none here.) Monthly listeners is a poor metric, but it's just so many orders of magnitude away from what notable musicians have. Out of the "best" sources, one is an ad for Sokay Technologies, one is broken, a few are self-reported info, etc.  Chamaemelum  (  talk  ) 16:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.