Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayonnaise jar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Onetwo three... 06:33, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Mayonnaise jar

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There is no reliable info to cover the subject properly, despite the discussion in the talk page started in March. - Altenmann >t 16:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can conceive that there might be some interesting, encyclopedic stuff to say about mayonnaise jars in the Soviet Union; and if someone can actually provide substantial reliable-source discussion of it then we can make an article. As it is though, this article pretty much tells us that a mayonnaise jar is a jar that is used to store mayonnaise. I cannot see much evidence of coverage to demonstrate the notability of mayonnaise jars outside the general discussion of all jars. I therefore suggest that we redirect this article to mason jar so as to direct readers to information about this kind of jar in general. ~ mazca  t 17:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not a mason jar. There are dozens quite different designs for jars to store mayo. - Altenmann >t 18:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no objections to deletion if that's the case; though I certainly have never seen a mayonnaise jar in my experience that was not functionally a mason jar. ~ mazca  t 19:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SNOW. Its a Mayonnaise jar. A mayonnaise jar. A bloke called AndrewConvosMy Messies 17:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You haven't read the article's talk page, have you? Uncle G (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect, appears to be non-noteworthy variant of generic use of "Mason Jar". Google has some hits for the combination of "Mayonnaise Jar" and "Soviet Union", but all of them seem to be copies or rewordings of this article. Needs an expert, if there is one. Hairhorn (talk) 17:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Try "Майонезная банка". Articles about this aren't necessarily going to be in the Latin alphabet, after all.  &#9786; Uncle G (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's little point, since I can't read the articles... Hairhorn (talk) 18:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest that editors of the "But it's a mayonnaise jar!" persuasion read the article's talk page, the Russian Wikipedia article at ru:Майонезная банка, the Russian Wikipedia's currently ongoing deletion discussion at ru:Википедия:К удалению/2 мая 2009, where several editors are opining "speedy keep", and the Russian Wikipedia's previous deletion discussion at ru:Википедия:К удалению/21 января 2006, to find that there's more here than may readily be apparent to English speakers. Uncle G (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Russian wikipedia seems to have rather lax standards as to sourcing the info. I did look into the russian page to find possible references to reuse. Found none. Their arguments in their AfD would not be accepted here. - Altenmann >t 18:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of them might. All four of Uliss, Saidaziz, Beaumain, and Wind are directly addressing the existence of sources, for example.  So, too, is Trycatch, who not only argues that sources exists, but even cites some, including the "mayonnaise jar" entry in Marlene G. Rosato's Concise encyclopedia of plastics (Springer, 2001, ISBN 9780792384960). Uncle G (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no encyclopaedic content here. The questions are: (1) Could there be; and (2) If so, would it belong in an article entitled "Mayonnaise Jar"; and both questions would need a "yes" answer before I could recommend retaining this as a bluelink. After reading Google translate versions of the articles Uncle G links above, I think there could be encyclopaedic content concerning mayonnaise jars, so (1) is a "yes", but (2) is still a "no" because I think such content would belong in Economy of the Soviet Union rather than in a separate article. Delete as an article title that should be a redlink on Wikipedia.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  19:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to mason jar. Bearian (talk) 19:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again, mayo jar can be of numerous designs, not only Mason's. - Altenmann >t 22:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I would say keep but I am unqualified to judge references needed for notability and verifiability. My reasoning is this has the same (more likely greater) importance in Russia as Milk bottle has in some other countries. It is also similar to the little jars preserves used to come in with cartoon characters that were intended to be used for juice glasses.  Also they had a deposit on them similar to milk bottles or soda bottles and are now collected and written about.  Drawn Some (talk) 22:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a cultural significance and the cultural difference of the terms Майонезная банка (mayonnaise jar) and Баночка из-под майонеза (literally: "a jar which originally stored mayo"). I can write an interesting sociological essay on the subject. But the problem with the subject is lack of known sources. - Altenmann >t 00:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:SNOW Delete ...wtf is this even doing here for this long?--Unionhawk Talk 23:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Looking at the history, the original version was about a particular type of container that was part of Russian/Soviet culture.  The ru.wikipedia article  | Mайонезная_банка ("Mayoneznaya Ganka") might one day be translated to what this article once aspired to be. Mandsford (talk) 01:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Translation of unreferenced interwikipedia pages is bad idea (apparent refs in the ru: text in fact are not). - Altenmann >t 02:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Absolutely do not redirect to Mason jar Mayonaise jars (in the U.S., at least) are much thinner than Mason jars and are far less likely to survive the canning process. Delete it or leave it alone. Edison (talk) 03:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to wiktionary seems like a dictionary definition rendered as a paragraph. 76.66.202.139 (talk) 04:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * File this one in the Trash Can with Ketchup Bottle, Toothpaste Tube, and any other overly specific container article one can come up with. And if someone can figure out that somewhere in Kiribati, there is a special interest in Soup Cans, please don't write an article on it. Well, maybe it's late and I just need some sleep... Eauhomme (talk) 05:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * re Kiribati: actually, it may be an interesting topic, Reuse of food containers in underdeveloped countries. 14:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Move to wiktionary and then Delete. It is not notable as a seprarate entry and not splitable from jar in general. According russian article, it is also nominated for deletion recently.Garret Beaumain (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.