Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayor Nagin and the Evacuation By School Buses Controversy

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was '''Speedy Delete, major consensus to delete. IP votes discounted''' Jtkiefer  T - 20:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Mayor Nagin and the Evacuation By School Buses Controversy
User:JimmyCrackedCorn, a particularly uncivil editor, has created this article as a way to circumvent consensus-building on Ray Nagin, which has been protected over his insistence upon inserting this same inadequately sourced and biased information into the Ray Nagin article. Several editors are currently working toward a consensus on how best to include information on the flooded school buses and criticism of Nagin inside the Ray Nagin article itself. Instead, JimmyCrackedCorn has created this fork without notifying anybody as a way to circumvent Wikipedia's policies in general and the discussion on Talk:Ray Nagin (in particular see Talk:Ray Nagin). Delete so discussions can focus on the talk page at Ray Nagin. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 22:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. I am supporting consensus building at the Ray Nagin article as anyone can see by looking at the Ray Nagin discussion page. Your personal attack against me as "uncivil" has een noted as reported. No one has even tried to explain what is POV about the article on the article's discussion page. The fact that this article is factual and does not repress inconvenient fact is understandably irksome to those with a proNagin POV. However, as anyone can see this article is well balanced with Nagin's responsibilities, the event, Nagin's POV as well as the POV of both defenders and critics of Nagin. To delete this article would be a clear attempt to repress fact for no other reason than fact does not comport with an admitted "libertine's" POV. --JimmyCrackedCorn 23:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete as a POV fork. --Aquillion 23:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Additionally, if this article is deleted, Nagin (disambiguation) should probably be deleted as well, since it seems to have been created solely to have a place to link to this article. It's a redirect to Ray Nagin at the moment, though. --Aquillion 04:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I challenge you, as I challenged Katefan0, to point out the POV content in this article so we can edit it out together. I would appreciate making such an edit as I support Wikipedia's policy against POV edits above all others. --12.74.187.165 00:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete obvious POV fork, and I trust katefan. Ryan Norton T 00:11, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Katefan0. I saw this article at Recent Changes and was kinda amazed. Now I understand. Shauri 01:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as fork - Guettarda 02:11, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Katefan0. The sockpuppetry and incivility are getting rather tiresome.--chris.lawson 03:53, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete. If POV forks isn't a speedy criteria, then it should damned well be one. / Peter Isotalo 05:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete it is the second POV fork this individual has created, see the diversion of First Responder into a highly POV screed. Wikipedia is not Fox News (WP:NFN) --Gorgonzilla 12:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It's getting harder and harder to tell

Amazing how every person who says delete appears to have a left wing POV. Most even admit this on their user pages. Examples:

Guettarda Politics Economic Left/Right: -4.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54. [1].

Peter: Bias Leftist social democrat

Katefan0: Libertine

Wikipedia will never see articles with NPOV if they allow such one sided contributors drive their content. I was told this place was a cesspool of leftism but did not believe it. I am becoming more and more convinced with each passing day I should have. --JimmyCrackedCorn 06:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * FYI, I'm center-right so that smashes that POV.MONGO 05:16, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, libertine doesn't mean liberal. It means I'm dissolute and unconventional. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 16:59, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * For Libertines see or for a more modern group . Or read the article on deSade. --Gorgonzilla 20:50, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, POV fork. We libertines should stick together.  User:Zoe|(talk) 21:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Blatant, almost admitted attempt to circumvent due process. --InShaneee 21:59, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete—unencyclopedic POV.  JeremyA (talk) 03:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: This user has also created Nagin, Nagin Buses, Nagin Busses, Nagin School Buses, Nagin School Busses and possibly others, all of which redirect to this article. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 04:17, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * And clearly will continue to create yet more until the vote is closed out.


 * Delete, but ensure the bus issue is throughly addressed on Ray Nagin article page.MONGO 05:13, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a soapbox.   [  +t,  +c ,  +m  ] 22:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep. There was nothing POV here that I found and the only "inaccuracy" I was able to find was the impression that the Governor was saying FEMA told them not to use school buses to evacuate before the storm but I fixed that.  According to the article Blanco says her discussion with FEMA on that happened either during or after the storm.  --Kirby Morgan 20:47, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Note the above is also a suspected sock, as are, and  (who had a sockpuppet "award" given to it by  &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 16:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Consensus-building process should not be cimcumvented by creating POV forks of articles. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 08:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - for the above reasons --Doc (?) 08:55, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - students need this as a resource, and it is essential for their studies. No need to delete. --Treehorn 08:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC) User's 2nd edit
 * ...what? The info here is already in Ray Nagin. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that Treehorn is a sockpuppet. See Special:Contributions/Treehorn for evidence. &mdash; J I P | Talk 10:12, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So noted. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 10:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. I don't see how this is anything but a POV fork of Ray Nagin . - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is more essential than the Ray Nagin article. A totally different article, as the Ray Nagin one is a bio --Longmans Run 09:14, 30 September 2005 (UTC) User's 7th edit
 * Delete POV fork. And JimmyCrackedCorn's astroturfing of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents backfired, since it got my attention to come over and vote. --Calton | Talk 10:08, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * delete I on't think it would be worth the trouble.Geni 11:46, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, per Kate. (motivation per Calton...) Shimgray | talk | 12:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep, it's a good read and essential - so don't delete it. Students need it! --150.204.69.67 12:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nominator.--nixie 13:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with prejudice due to sock/meatpuppet voting, POV, and no chance of being NPOV. --Kiand 13:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment - AFAICT this thing can be closed, the 5 days are up and there is strong consensus to delete (even if you include all the sockpuppets). Guettarda 13:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment - The article should be kept purely as it is a historical event like Henry VIII and his six wives. --150.204.217.97 14:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, utter PoV fork. Wyss 16:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete with extreme prejiduce. Obvious POV fork.--Sean Jelly Baby? 20:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.