Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayou Trikerioti


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Mayou Trikerioti

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Repeatedly re-created by a WP:SPA, article makes no substantive claim to notability. Two sources are cited, IMDB (which is a directory and not reliable anyway) and a namecheck at the end of a review of a production. Set designers really do not get significant coverage, a schoolmate of mine went on to be a lighting designer and his partner designed the sets for shows such as Blood Brothers, it is extremely unusual to find any independent biographical sources about technical stage professionals, and this article includes no such sources about this one. Guy (Help!) 17:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. I don't believe that there is inherent notability for a set/costume designer unless they've held the title in multiple notable productions (compare to actors/actresses). This is dangerously close to an A7, in my opinion.  The only thing saving it from being an A7 right now to me is the one reference that's not from IMDB.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - many ghits, but this would be normal for anyone working in this industry (programme credits etc). Looking at the URLs for the greek search, I do not see any website that are specifically about her. Any awards or major productions would swing it maybe. --Triwbe (talk) 18:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * additional - some of the greek web sites are specifically about her, but they are very short industry specific and I feel not quite enough to be notable. --Triwbe (talk) 18:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom; I got enough google hits originally that it seemed fairly notable, but as you suggested, each source is a trivial mention at best. Sorry to drag this back from speedy only to vote for its deletion.  Giftiger Wunsch    [TALK]  20:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - no coverage in reliable sources, and no indication of any awards for the design work. -- Whpq (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment While the lack of available English coverage for this individual's career in film and theater apparently fails WP:N, if a Greek-reading Wikipedian cares to start digging through these 7,000 results, I'd like to learn if there is a notabiity in Greece that is not being revealed in my English-laguage searches.  And to the nom: your friend's adventures aside, costume designers can indeed be notable.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * She hasn't got an article in the Greek language Wikipedia. Gets a mention there in a box in an article about a play The Pillowman by Martin McDonagh. Peridon (talk) 20:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What I said was, it's extremely unusual to find any independent biographical sources about technical stage professionals. That doesn't mean it never happens, only that it's extremey unusual. Unlike actors and directors they tend not to get written about much. Guy (Help!) 18:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete and SALT - no significant coverage in independent reliable sources.  Chzz  ►  16:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Triwbe (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * comment for now TO be honest the comments below are not all together wrong. My guess is that this is likely a systematic bias issue and hopefully we can find references to prove notability etc (in english or greek) then I hope we can save it. We do indeed have issues with non-english speaking people for this very reason. I assume we have a Greece wikiproject? Has anyone poked them yet? I'll try and poke an friend from ElWiki who may be able to help. That is another spot that might be a great place to look for despw22 and others. (summary: lets not jump to conclusions quite yet)   James  ( T   C )  23:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

All i can say is that all these google links you come up with are mentions/proof in newspapers and press releases or reviews for the theatre credits you keep deleting. It is also things I was trying to put in the article, but parts were deleted before I managed to proceed. I am a final year student in the University of Greece, and I am working within a team to put greek theatre people in wikipedia. This was my first try, and as I have found it frustrating enough writing here and being deleted all the time I have put a claim not to do this job for the University anymore, and that there is no use for it, if other people delete the articles. I cannot understand why you would not accept the credits in somebody's private website, and that you trust things like the IMDB (which is not comprehensive by the way, and only film-related). It is, however frustrating to have gathered information and a complete Biography and CV and having it deleted over and over. It frustrates me even more to see that now a very small amount of somebody's work is credited, rather than more than 10 years of design. So finally, I give up, as I can see the frustration for somebody to have worked for a week on a person, with nothing to show for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Despw22 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC) THis is Despw22 by the way and to answer the "friend's adventures aside, costume designers can indeed be notable.[2] Schmidt," IT IS SO MUCH EASIER TO PROVE/GOOGLE AMERICAN/ENGLISH SPEAKING CREDITS RATHER SOMEBODY WHO SPEAKS IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT ALPHABET. But finding this belittles their carrier, that I think is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Despw22 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry you feel that way, but Wikipedia is not site just to list (or advance) someone's career. They have to be notable. Ms. Trikerioti has certainly a long career and has some favourable reviews, but nothing that 100,000s of other theatre workers have also acheived. I have tried hard to find some more reason to keep this because of the language issue, I think you have also. But I have not found anything that shows that she passes any of the criteria shown in WP:CREATIVE. --Triwbe (talk) 09:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

yeap, totally understand, and accept this. I never realized this, as I know there are semi-inexistent fashion models (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katerina_Georgiadou), but also other theatre practitioners with smaller careers (I am not mention them as my purpose is not to have them deleted, but to make a point) I do not see this happening in their editing histories, and it seems bizarre to me. It is because these people are self promoting that we decided to do so in the University, properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Despw22 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions.  —Triwbe (talk) 17:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment We DON'T accept IMDb - for the same reasons we don't accept personal or companies' own sites. or blogs and forums. They are not necessarily reliable. IMDb relies on info supplied by the people concerned (or their PR dept), and personal sites are not really the place to find neutrally presented information. As to other articles, yes, there are ones that have slipped through the net. Please feel free to tag them yourself, or to bring them to our attention. But remember that an article doesn't have the right to exist just because another one does. Peridon (talk) 09:48, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, Katerina Georgiadou is now proposed for deletion. And not by anyone who has taken part in this discussion so far. Peridon (talk) 09:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Katerina Georgiadou was Miss Greece and a Miss World contestant, so I am sure she was known by a good proportion of Greek men :-) A quick google for Κατερίνα Γεωργιάδου gives a lot of hits, some specifically about her and a number of photos. One could argue that the pages are not that significant and that the rule WP:SINGLEEVENT might apply, but I doubt it.


 * Also I passed over a few pages in the Category:American scenic designers but, of those I checked, all have a number of significant references, awards or had some level of notability. --Triwbe (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment After blanking the page, following previous warnings, was blocked from editing.   Chzz  ►  19:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
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