Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meat shoot


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — UY Scuti Talk  17:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Meat shoot

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The administrator User: Kim Dent-Brown thought this was original research in 2008 when I tried to speedy it, but refused it, as it wasn't a valid reason.

This is what he said:

Meat shoot speedy tag

Hi there, I've declined the speedy tag here although I absolutely agree that the article is original research. However OR is not a sufficient reason for speedying, and I suggest going through WP:PROD or WP:AFD instead. Incidentally, when tagging an article it's a good idea to warn the originating editor that you've done so. I guess you applied the tag manually? Using something like WP:TWINKLE does this autmoatically (sorry if I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs here...) Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 22:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The article has not been updated since then, no sources since 2010, WP:OR, fails to assert WP:GNG. It is a low article, never improved. scope_creep 21:17, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as OR. Legacypac (talk) 21:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, most probably original research as the only reference is Nicholas Mead.  Seagull123  Φ  21:42, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Dont Delete Sorry, I don't know the protocals for this, so if I'm violating process, please point me in the right direction. I have found the following sources that talk about Meat Shoots.  Does this help keep it make an argument for keeping it around?
 * http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/01/20/meat-shoots-tradition
 * http://www.turkeyshoot.net
 * http://walkinwiththewildwoman.blogspot.com/2013/02/meat-shoot-whats-meat-shoot.html
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvNPValH3P8
 * http://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/best-meat-shoot/BestOf?oid=2510089 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbrettger (talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 January 2016‎ (UTC) — Mbrettger (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. This topic may be salvageable. Here are a few reliable sources about meat shoots:
 * "‘Meat Shoots’: Examining A Rural Tradition", Here and Now (an NPR program), January 20, 2014 (mentioned by the previous poster)
 * "Illinois Sheriff Stops 'Meat Shoot Planned For Rival", Associated Press in The Southeast Missourian, April 28, 2002.
 * "Trap shooting for a good cause", KHQA, January 4, 2014. (And there are plenty more like this one, describing specific local meat shoots.)
 * I note in passing that we also have an article for Turkey shoot, which covers a broader range of meanings for that term but appears to have similar issues with unsourced original research.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment It is curious that the article has been left in low state for 6 years, completely neglected. Barely anybody has even noticed it. It is off such importance. I support deleting it, and if it is required in the future, let them recreate it, with whatever sources they have on hand. Also curious that the first wp'er who commented with source, has just puffed into existence. scope_creep 22:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you mean User:Mbrettger, I left a message at their talk page that expressed concern that they may be the same person at User:Mrettger, the user who created this article. That's the reason I tagged User:Mbrettger's comment above with a spa tag.  Seagull123  Φ  22:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I saw it. scope_creep 23:00, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * AFD is not a clean up service. scope_creep 23:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.  The article notes: "If you drive off the interstate and head down a county road, in many parts of the country you’ll often see signs for “meat shoots” at local VFWs or American Legions. It’s a sport some may not be familiar with, but meat shoots are an integral part of rural culture — and often serve a purpose. Civic organizations, conservation groups and individuals will hold meat shoots as fundraisers for people in need, for example after someone suffers a house fire or a devastating illness."  The article notes: "The first thing you need to know about a meat shoot is that they don’t shoot animals. “That’s not a crazy question, you know, we get that a lot,” said DeeDee Lakas, laughing a bit. “Do you shoot the meat? No, you shoot the target.” Meat Shoots Around The Country Yet, the shoots are not unique to this region.  “Most of the ones up here in Ohio are called Turkey Shoots,” says Linda Tubbs.  She and her husband, Denny, run Turkeyshoot.net out of their home in Marion, Ohio.  After traveling to shoots in several states, the couple decided to start their website for fun and list as many of the events as they could find. Soon, she says, people were calling them and giving them information.  “There’s are a lot of different names for them. They’re called still shoots, card shoots, board shoots,” she says. “I think there are probably more shoots in southern states, and there are a lot on the East Coast.”  Tubbs says rules vary from place to place, but generally shoots use shotguns, paper targets and winners take home some cut of meat."  The article notes: "Trap Shooters from all across Montana came to Ulm today to test their skills at the so-called Meat Shoot. The Great Falls Trap Club opens its doors the third Sunday of each month for the friendly competition, where shooters compete for different types of meat. ... Winners will take home turkey, New York steaks, ham, or a variety of meats.  Meat shoots take place in Augusta, Choteau, Fairfield, Power and Great Falls."  The article notes: "The first Friday night of the month during winter and spring seasons bring an opportunity to shoot and compete in an event called a “meat shoot”. The Rocky Mountain Gun Club, located at 6100 Cole Creek Road, hosts a trap shooting event with an opportunity to walk away with the “meat” of the night. At any given event, the awards could be a turkey, a couple of steaks or a pizza that all hinge on your ability to beat 4 other shooters."   The article notes: "Monroe County Sheriff Daniel Kelley says he was just enforcing an old, long-ignored law in barring a shooting competition in which cuts of meat are prizes. Never mind that the fund-raising 'meat shoot' -- to have been held today -- was for Joe Brauer, Kelley's Republican opponent in the Nov. 5 election. ... Kelley, the Democratic sheriff since 1982, said he received a tip that the meat shoot would violate a county ordinance that even the county commissioners acknowledged they didn't know about.  Meat shoots, in which meat is awarded to shooters who strike closest to a bull's-eye, are popular fund raisers for churches, sportsman's clubs and other groups. Monroe County officials said the events have been a staple there for decades.  During a special meeting Friday, the county commissioners agreed to revise the ordinance next month to explicitly make meat shoots legal."</li> <li> The article notes: "It's probably best, at the outset, to explain what a meat shoot isn't. There's no hunting and the only meat on hand is wrapped in butcher paper and packed safely in a freezer. Instead, participants take turns shooting at a cardboard target. The shooter with the best aim literally brings home the bacon."</li> <li> The Google Books snippet view notes: "... It proudly proclaimed numerous duels for dollars. But this was a meat shoot. I could almost taste the honey cured ham that was only 25 birds away. ..."</li> <li> The article notes: "According to the newspaper, along with the gun auction, the Moose Lodge also conducted a “meat shoot.” What’s a meat shoot, you ask? It’s a contest that allows shooters the chance to win boxes of meat, if they can score a bulls-eye on the target. It’s sheer genius. Robert Straub, meat shoot chairperson from the lodge, organizes meat shoots about three or four times in the spring and as many as eight times during the fall hunting season, when shooters obviously would benefit from additional target practice. “The goal is simple — shoot a cardboard target as close to the bulls-eye as possible,” the newspaper story related. “Not only does the event ease the burden of a grocery bill, it also provides residents with entertainment on a Sunday.”  ...  The fee at this contest was $2 a shot, with only “approved” shotguns allowed, and to ensure fairness, all shells provided by the Moose Lodge. The entrants were permitted to purchase as many shots as they wanted in an attempt to win the meat prizes, which ranged from slabs of bacon to boxes of ground beef patties to cases of pork chops or steaks."</li> <li> The article notes: "They come with their twelve-gauge shotguns and form long lines to plunk down three bucks and spray a round at a paper target hanging 30 or so feet away. The closest to the 'X' brings home the bacon, pork steaks, loins, ribs and other cuts of pig, not to mention roast beef. The shoot starts at noon and ends fourteen or fifteen rounds later, when the beer coolers empty and the sun sets."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow meat shoot to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 00:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC) </li></ul>

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and copy edit per the sources – Comfortably passes WP:GNG, as per the diligent source research performed by Arxiloxos and Cunard above. Sources examples include, but are not limited to:, , , , , , North America1000 08:28, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - definitely needs work on expansion and sourcing, but the sources as shown by Cunard and NA show that it passes notability criteria.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 13:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in light of North America's sources. --Sammy1339 (talk) 15:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 16:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - The only thing that is sourced is and I quote: "Meat shoots are commonly mistaken as block shoots, ham shoots, turkey shoots, etc. This is, however, a misnomer." Also, it looks like it is just a gameplay strategy and violates WP:GAMEGUIDE. Jackninja5 (talk) 19:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as other users have mentioned there are reliable sources about this, they just need to be added to the page. It seems to be a semi-popular activity in rural parts of America.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources provided above. As WP:GNG is satisfied, the only question is WP:TNT, and while the article is poor, it doesn't look to require blowing up. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 01:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


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