Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medford Community Cablevision, Inc.


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:24, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Medford Community Cablevision, Inc.

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Local public access station, fails WP:GNG & controversy section falls under WP:NOTNEWS. Also appears to have folded. Most of the sourcing is blogs. It's possible notability claim is that it won the ""Overall Excellence in Public Television"" award. However, the award does not seem to be notable and I don't see any independent reliable source coverage of it. Rusf10 (talk) 18:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as the award seems significant and they produce/produced quite a lot of original content which is one of the notability considerations for television channels Atlantic306 (talk) 19:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 03:44, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete: We do not give presumptive notability because an award "seems" significant; we give it because an award is significant. The bar to clear there isn't these "Hometown Media Awards" for which there are only five Google News cites, all but one of them casual mentions from the same Long Island weekly website, but Emmy Awards, and I would appreciate Atlantic306 clarifying what exactly about these awards they feel is significant enough to meet the GNG.  Certainly no hometown community access cable station does, without some extraordinary evidence that hasn't been submitted.   Ravenswing   19:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * was assuming AGF where the article states: "Medford Community Cablevision has been internationally recognized by the Alliance for Community Media in 2008 and 2011 for "Overall Excellence in Public Television"; the highest award presented to a public access facility" Atlantic306 (talk) 09:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think AGF applies to article content. Claims made in an article must be backed up by reliable sources.--Rusf10 (talk) 15:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Especially where facts in an article are being challenged (or when the subject's notability's being challenged), we don't just swallow an article's assertions uncritically. Quite possibly these awards are the highest this "Alliance for Community Media" (and I note its own article is cited only from its own website) proffers, but seeing as these awards have barely been noticed by small town media in only two areas, I really rather doubt this claim of "international" recognition, and the notion that they're more prestigious than regional Emmys -- which have been given to public broadcasting and are not always themselves taken as prima facie proof of notability -- is farcical.  Truth be told, I think that voters at AfD have as much responsibility to investigate the notability of a subject as nominators do.   Ravenswing   15:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I deleted the "awards" section for lack of independent sources, which, presumably, removes it from this discussion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep station in a large, upscale suburb home that is the home of a major university, and apparently replete with folks who want to be on TV, or to produce TV shows. So you get stories in the major regional daily, the Boston Globe with headlines like "Medford ready to launch `reality' energy savings series" about a TV3 program on energy savings in the home (2007).  Article has quite a bit of text - some of it sourced - about local programs and controversies over local programs.  In addition, I have added a section about a dispute over the station's management in 2006-11 that was intensely covered in the Boston Globe.  The article is in need of improvement and tightening, in particular, the the  "awards" appear to be so non-notable that I have removed that entire section - it had long been tagged for sourcing and the sourcing was all primary.  However, coverage of station itself - some now on page and more available in a Proquest or other archive searches - does pass WP:NCORP.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:10, 29 March 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note very similar discussion about a public access station in another upscale college town Articles for deletion/Princeton Community Television.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Why is that relevant? I could also link to several discussions about public access stations that resulted in delete. WP:OSE???--Rusf10 (talk) 17:34, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Rusf, I hope you'll take another look at this one. Your deletion nomination had to do with the awards, I agree that they were over-hyped and removed them. You cited poor sourcing. However, there is a lot of coverage of the station and its programming over the decades, enough, I believe, to pass WP:SIGCOV. It is, of course, true that much of the INDEPTH coverage is in the password-protected regional daily, the Boston Globe, and that I use the password protected Proquest newspaper archive, but even a look at the headlines of the articles I added are, I think, persuasive.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Note Medford Community Cablevision, Inc. was dissolved in 2013. The new Medford community TV station may or may not be notable as a separate entity, but Medford Community Cablevision, Inc. no longer operates the station because it no longer exists. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 07:40, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Does not meet WP:GNG. - Hirolovesswords (talk) 03:21, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


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