Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medical Hypothesis, Discovery & Innovation in Ophthalmology


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:17, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Medical Hypothesis, Discovery & Innovation in Ophthalmology

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At first sight, this article appears to be well sourced. On closer inspection, though, this is not the case. There are no independent sources discussing the journal in depth, just some library indexes, which is rather trivial. Being a member of WAME and ICMJE is nothing contributing to notability either. Like any OA journal, it is listed in PubMed Central, but not in the more selective MEDLINE. The article claims that the journal is indexed by Scopus and the link provided does indeed show a few entries in this database. I'm not sure how this came about, because both a search on the ISSN or on the eISSN comes up empty. I'm not familiar with the "Dimensions website", but |a search on Google Scholar reveals only a handful of citations. Taken together this appears to fail both WP:GNG and WP:NJournals, hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. Randykitty (talk) 16:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. This article was reviewed by member(s) of WikiProject Articles for creation and has been confirmed to be within the scope of WikiProject Academic Journals after several steps of editing. I respect Randykitty comments however I do believe personally that Randykitty is interested to erasing rather than constructing!
 * Thanks to bring the case for discussion. I addressed each of the reviewers’ comments in the order they were received:


 * 1) Most academic journals in Wikipedia focus on an overview of the Journal as well as indexing resources. For instance, please refer to the Swiss Medical Weekly.
 * 2) WAME and ICMJE developed recommendations to review best practice and ethical standards in the conduct and reporting of research. Adherence to ethical principles of WAME and ICMJE is a mandatory issue in medical journalism. To include the Journal in well-known databases, the Journal should adhere to these ethical principles.
 * 3) Not all open access medical journals indexed in PubMed Central (PMC). Some PMC journals are also MEDLINE journals. The National Library of Medicine (NLM) decides whether the scientific and editorial character and quality of a journal merit its inclusion in PMC. “Scientific and Editorial Quality Assessment” is the key factor in its assessment. The scientific quality assessment for PMC focuses on scientific rigor. Therefore, inclusion in PMC is a scientific achievement to journal. Please refer to the Journal Selection for PMC: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/pub/journalselect/
 * 4) To search new titles in Scopus, you should login to the Scopus through university account. From the following URL, click documents and enter the journal title in search and choose the drop-down Source title and click on search (Medical Hypothesis, Discovery & Innovation in Ophthalmology): https://www.scopus.com/search/form.uri?zone=TopNavBar&origin=sbrowse&display=basic
 * 5) The Journal is abbreviated to: "Med Hypothesis Discov Innov Ophthalmol". Once I searched the above-mentioned title, more than 1000 citations came from Google Scholar which is notable for a journal published around 230 papers.
 * Furthermore, Dimensions website is a new tool provides up-to-the online attention data via Altmetric, usually retrieve data from Scopus and PubMed. Thanks for your consideration. Maryhook97 (talk) 18:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Comment moved from talk; "keep" !vote inferred from contents. --Randykitty (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Thank you very much for this lesson on how WP works. I gingerly disagree with your assertion that I'm more interested in deleting than constructing, pointing you to the list of articles that I have started on my userpage. That list, of course, does not include the many articles (mostly on academic journals) that I have expanded over the years. By the way, you may find it interesting to read WP:NPA and WP:ATA. As for your individual comments, here are some answers. 1/ Sure, no disagreement here. 2/ Nobody says that WAME and ICMJE don't do valuable work. The thing is, however, that being a member of these organizations does not contribute to notability in the WP sense. 3/ Indeed, not all OA journals are in PubMed Central, they exclude the most blatant predatory journals, for example. Apart from that it's not that difficult to get into PMC and we never accept inclusion in PMC as evidence of notability. MEDLINE is a different story, it's much more selective. 4/ To see whether a journal is included in Scopus, you don't need to have a university account, but you do have to search under "sources". See the links above in the nom. See this link for Nature, for example. If you click on the result, you get journal info stating which years are indexed. Whatever way I search, the present journal does not have such a page. 5/ You misinterpret the GScholar results. You get a thousand "hits" because every article that has ever appeared in the journal plus every article that ever mentioned it are listed. What is significant, however, is that citations to articles in the journal are very low (all I saw were in the lower single digits). This does not indicate a well-cited journal. Also, GScholar results have to interpreted with care, as they often include falls positives or double entries. 6/ I don't see how inclusion on the Dimensions website contributes to notability. Please familiarize yourself with WP:NJournals. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 19:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for clarification. At this journal, I found hundreds of citations in google scholar https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=B_4BElIAAAAJ&hl=en
 * Therefore I would recommend  Keep  the page and close discussion. I found that the journal is in Pubmed Central since 2012 and from the beginning of 2020 added to Scopus. To search the new added journals at Scopus, please: login to the Scopus account. From the below URL, click documents and enter the journal title in the search and choose the drop-down Source title and then click on search (Medical Hypothesis, Discovery & Innovation in Ophthalmology): https://www.scopus.com/search/form.uri?zone=TopNavBar&origin=sbrowse&display=basic

Maryhook97 (talk) 21:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. Subject has a 'confirmed' status record by ISSN National Centre for Iran, in the global ISSN portal, but the publisher and country of publishing details are different (Reza Gharebaghi, Tehran). -- Gpkp  [ u • t • c ] 08:53, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

They said that this should appear in the next browser update of Scopus which is scheduled to happen end of September/October and we should be able to see the URL searchable for this journal. However, I managed to search 27 documents of this title in Scopus (issue 1-3 of 2020 by searching the title of paper or authors, separately). Furthermore, it seems that the title is indexed in Proquest however as Proquest products and services are accessible on a subscription basis, I am not sure how to offer a direct link to the content. I appreciate if you may clarify this. Moreover, The history of the journal and the former publisher(s) has been updated in Wikipedia.Maryhook97 (talk) 07:51, 6 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Thanks for all comments. I have contacted the Scopus: scopussupport@elsevier.com. The Elsevier Helpdesk confirmed that the journal is indexed in Scopus and Embase database in 2020. The Source ID for the journal is still not created as the hyperlink for this source is still not set.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC) Redirect/Merge This is not a notable journal, but would make a fine section to International Virtual Ophthalmic Research Center. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:55, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


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