Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medieval Albanian pedigree of Leka Zogu (2nd nomination)


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The result was Merge. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Medieval Albanian pedigree of Leka Zogu
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Consensus seems to be that these articles essentially consist of genealogical trivia, which is not notable. (See precedent at Articles for deletion/Bulgarian ancestry of royals of Bulgaria.) It is notable that Leka Zogu is the heir to the Albanian throne, but that only needs a statement in his article saying so; we don't need to provide his entire family history to prove it. Terraxos (talk) 07:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete As nominator of the other articles for deletion and also per nominator. Charles 08:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, as said by the nominator, clear consensus is emerging that this genealogical stuff is a violation of WP:SYN and nationalistacally oriented.--Aldux (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep King Zog was certainly notable. The ancestry of his wife is interesting, but it would be desirable if a few more of her ancestors could be demonstated to be notable.  The Empress Catherine is a slightly different case. She was a princess of a very minor German princely family, who became Empress of Russia.  The fact that she had a small admixture of Russian blood in her veins is this of interest.  In her case there are a reaonable number of ancestors who were notable (though also a great many apparently NN).  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The nobility of the individual ancestors is irrelevant, the context is what matters. This falls out of the scope of Wikipedia. Charles 19:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Genealogical trivia; it is sufficient to make a brief reference in the biographical articles about ancestry. Noel S McFerran (talk) 05:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable. Both genealogies (Catherine's Russian and Leka's Albanian) in their own way. Besides, this is so-called second delete nomination, which always smack of, how to express it, sort of obsession, which may be misuse of Wikipedia processes. Let's see, some obsessive deletionist will no doubt soon come and write some retort against my opinion, basically not aimed at proper discussion, but to try to overwhelm anyone. Like bullies tend to do. Yet one problem more is this delete proposals made as bunches, when individual articles would need separate consideration. Shilkanni (talk) 02:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Neither page has sourcing explaining why the individual's geneaology is notable is notable. --RaiderAspect (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with Leka, Crown Prince of Albania and Catherine the Great respectively. Genealogical information is relevant and sourced, but does not merit its own article. WaltonOne 17:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.