Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megan and Liz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. –MuZemike 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Megan and Liz
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Non-notable music duo lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. Appears to fail WP:BIO adn WP:MUSIC.  ttonyb (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment. There is a thread about this duo at the WP:MUSIC talk page. The gist being: times are changing fast. WP:MUSIC talks, for instance, about albums on the charts. In 2005 that made sense; today it means little or nothing, since no one buys albums. Well, old people do, consequently people like Susan Boyle et al top the charts (but with sales an order of magnitude lower than in 2000), even though they are not really hot acts. I'm not saying this duo is notable, but it's an interesting question. WP:MUSIC does not even mention YouTube views, yet don't these count for something? This pair claims 1.2 million for one of their songs. I don't even know if that's a comparatively large number or not. Herostratus (talk) 02:08, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 10:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Weak Delete - albums DO still exist, just not in the format that Herostratus suggested above (ie, vinyl). Since anyone can post a YT video, I feel that this makes YT an unreliable source - for MOST things. When I say MOST, I know that there is a List_of_YouTube_personalities who have become famous/imfamous with their YT postings, but I do not believe that in cases like this that it can be used to establish notability. Now, one appearance on Oprah and 1 released album to date doesn't quite satisfy the notability requirements in my book. I !voted "weak" due to the Oprah appearance. Without that, this would be a slam-dunk speedy delete.  ArcAngel    (talk) ) 19:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. For the record, paid downloads count toward the music charts (at least the Billboard charts). For example, Eminem's album Recovery sold 741,000 copies its first week, of which 255,000 were downloads. If YouTube views eventually become a meaningful way of judging a music artist's popularity, I suspect that Billboard will develop a chart to monitor that, but until then, I prefer to use the traditional charts (which have been updated to include digital sales). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment Megan and Liz are still rising in their fame and are quickly adding to their fan base. Their achievements will have more significance as they make more television appearances and release new songs, which is happening fast. The article itself needs more details but I think it shouldn't be deleted. The appearance on Oprah was only the beginning. --JRsingersongwriter (talk) 12:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Well, somebody's gotta vote one way another; it's already been relisted once. I !vote Keep based on WP:JUST_SO_FRIGGIN_CUTE_YOU_COULD_PUKE. Oh wait. I mean, based on their notability. They don't qualify under WP:MUSIC, but they have fan sites all over the world, so I'll go in for a little jury nullification here. My take -- it's kind of a guess -- is that they have tons of fans and that however that's manifested or not manifested, it makes it worthwhile to have an article about them. Herostratus (talk) 07:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.