Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megumi Toda


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  17:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Megumi Toda

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After an examination of IMDB, seems to fail general notability guidelines, and specially fails to assert WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR. On the few films, on which she get a listing, she is not even on the main cast list. Probably a young actress. scope_creep 14:15, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete a non-notable voice actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment She's on a main character list for some anime shows: New Game!, Sakura Trick, Etotama. Perhaps she has more news articles under her Japanese name? I found this news article from Animate Times  and some event   There's a bunch of news articles about New Game. Here's one from music.jp   AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are 21 potential references present over at ja:wiki, this combined with Angus's findings. I also want to add that IMDB should not be a deciding factor when looking for sources. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I just noticed too that Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Megumi Toda has more sources as well. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The person Megumi Toda received coverage in multiple secondary sources. The list below shows some of the secondary sources. In English Anime News Network https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-02-11/cast-performs-etotama-anime-theme-songs/.84337 (Etotama cast) http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-06-27/new-game-tv-anime-promo-previews-opening-theme-reveals-july-4-premiere/.103670 (New Game! cast) http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-11-16/saki-fujita-momo-asakura-join-sakura-trick-anime-cast (Sakura Trick cast) http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-07-20/pop-in-q-anime-film-trailer-shows-fantasy-world-teases-dance-sequence/.104509 (Pop in Q cast) She even has an encyclopedia article on Anime News Network Crunchyroll http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/05/23-1/new-game-anime-featured-in-new-visual http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/11/17-1/latest-sakura-trick-visual-and-character-art In Japanese Animate Times http://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1468471288 (a legit interview with Megumi Toda) Yahoo! Japan http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20160623-00000062-nataliec-ent (article about the new show New Game!) Koepota http://www.koepota.jp/news/2016/06/21/0102.html (article about the new show New Game!) Anime Anime http://animeanime.jp/article/2016/06/28/29215.html (provides voice of RPG game Avabel Online which will get an anime adaptation) http://animeanime.jp/article/2016/05/10/28447.html (New Game cast, one of the performers of the anime opening theme song) http://animeanime.jp/article/2016/07/20/29570.html (Pop in Q cast) This article passed the WP:GNG and WP:BASIC criteria, therefore we consider this article notable, and therefore, not to be deleted, and deserves to have an article. So whether it passed or failed in all other criteria does not affect its general notability stated above. Next, this article clearly passed 1 of 3 of the WP:NACTOR criteria. I cannot say if this person has significant followers and if she has some innovative contributions to entertainment, but we cannot deny that she has at least four notable significant roles in three anime television shows (Etotama, Sakura Trick, and New Game!) and an anime special (List of Assassination Classroom characters. According to Twitter, she has 26.4 thousand followers. https://twitter.com/todamegumi Google's search engine recognizes her. Additionally, Megumi Toda has both Japanese and Chinese corresponding wiki articles. If we delete this article, we may also delete those two articles especially those doesn't strictly follow the rules. After the article creation, it has an average of 14 views per day according to https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/. Not a good number, but a good indication that the article is visited. I credit New Game! for that. And in its Japanese and Chinese wikipedia articles, it is visited more than 600 times and more than 20 times, respectively, last 30 days. "On the few films, on which she get a listing, she is not even on the main cast list." - She is on the main cast list on three shows. And lastly, I wanna correct that she is a voice actress, which means, she uses her voice. IMDb does not know how to distinguish an actress and a voice actress. They're different. IMDb lists only five credits, one of them is significant (New Game!). CunningRabbitXenon07 (talk) 15:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC) }}


 * Comment Most of the articles as sources are spurious at best. Examining each in turn. Anime News Network. Each of the entries list the voice actress by name, as a cast member and do not assert notability. Crunchyroll - Are all cast member listing and do not assert any notability. Animate Times does an interview, but states she is new to singing but asserts no notability whatsoever, apart from the fact she is newbie. Yahoo! Japan - mention here name as cast member, Koepota - mentions here name as cast member, Anime Anime - 1st mentions single name, 2nd mentions here as a cast member, 3rd, also mentions here as being a cast member, added late.  So a translation by Google and Bing Translate which is the better of the two, shows that out of the 11 so called sources, 9 of them list her as a cast member, similar to IMDB except with associated character, the interview mentions she is new to singing as newbie. So not single entry in the comment box asserts any [WP:BIO]] or asserts WP:GNG. I really do understand the sheer desperation that commit mankind to finish what he started, particularly in war, but at the end of the day this lassie is a newbie and as such doesn't have need an article on Wikipedia as yet. scope_creep 13:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , can you look at the JA Wikipedia references? The cast announcements from the English talk page don't help notability at all. The interviews might be okay.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My first look through the JA sources is that they're mostly cast announcements as well. I was hoping famitsu or natalie might have some more coverage, but it does not look that promising. The theme songs are promising although they are all collaborations: Oricon rankings under Megumi Toda solo Oricon page with collaborations Soruaru BOB (Etotama cast) has a ranked single so does fourfolium (New Game cast)  and Idolmaster . AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Has enough notable roles to warrant inclusion. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 08:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I hate to comment in these Afd which I've nominated, but what roles? Show me that one role @Xezbeth, in which she has a major part, with a valid source. You need to provide evidence dude, it is not acceptable just to make a statement with no backing evidence. I'll take a look. scope_creep 08:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Comment @AngusWOOF, 1: is a cast member. 2: Is a ticket portal and aggregation site for show. It discusses hold a show which she will appear in, where you can ticket. 3. Describes here appearing as a guest, on a promotional radio show, which has been running 12 times Megumi Toda appeared in the broadcast of the guest. @Knowledgekid87 I wouldn't knock IMDB. Its very accurate. So in the end up, I still think she fails WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR spefically. scope_creep 09:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * IMDB is generally not a reliable source, per External links/Perennial websites. I would trust Behind the voice actors before I trust IMBD, as any roles there with green check marks next to them link to screenshots with confirmed credits. (An example: ) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:06, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - There's not really a lot of coverage specifically about her at least in English, but given that she's had major roles in several series, she'd probably at the very least pass WP:ENTERTAINER. The Animate Times interview is a good start, at the very least. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:08, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment @Knowledgekid87, Well I think the distinction with IMDB is that the reviewer content is untrustworthy, not cast lists. They may be slightly out of date at the moment, but they will be eventually correct, and you must remember, that it is the same people creating content on Wikipedia, that is also creating content on IMDB, i.e. cast lists, but the argument is a side show. Not everybody is an anime nut, and I think cast lists tend not be updated when content is initially created, or indeed some time. @Narutolovehinata5, what major roles had she had. Tell me exactly what they are, as I've covered every web entry out to five pages, in the English, Japanese, and on Baidu, and no show as a star, or lead, or main character actor, merely a newbie, a reflection. You'll need to show me exactly what assertion on WP:ENTERTAINER it satisfies Scope creep (talk) 10:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)


 * IMDB cast lists are not reliable because they are user-submitted. However, it can be a starting point to find the actual episode which shows her participation in credits. On the character lists, New Game she is listed 6th, Etotama 11th, Sakura Trick 6th among the main characters so those are large ensembles, which is different from headlining a show, but not a minor supporting role, considering she sings on the series' theme songs. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:49, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * And Wikipedia isn't also user submitted? Your essentially saying here that Wikipedia is not reliable or more accurately, inaccurate. Possibly they were worrying about peer and cross checking, but essentially both use the exact same methods to post and update, by multiple users concurrently. It is a false tautology, or false equivalence to suggest otherwise. Just because some policy wonks have written an policy article saying it is not notable, possibly because they don't fully understand how content is generated and the semantic web work, doesn't make it true. They are merely guidelines, at the end of the day. I think this is getting silly. I've already explained above this is the first time she has sung. The first time. She is newbie, and as such doesn't assert WP:GNG Scope creep (talk) 00:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * She currently does not meet notability as a solo singer, but her collaborative group efforts have charted. It doesn't matter if she is a newbie or has yet to make a solo singing debut. As for how to reference content from other Wikipedia pages, there's WP:CIRC. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What group efforts? I think possibly WP:SUBNOT applies. She needs to be notable on here own standing to be able to assert WP:GNG. @AngusWOOF, I don't think you understand what I saying above how content is created in the web, and how so much much is duplicated. Thats ok. Scope creep (talk) 09:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My point is that a newbie singer can still be notable The group efforts are nice background information prior to the solo career, and it still depends on whether the artist's debut single/album has some decent notability. That's all. We don't need to discuss how similar or different user-editing is on IMDB compared to Wikipedia. I'm sure there are parts very much like Wikipedia. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


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