Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mehtab Singh Grewal


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The result was keep. Sounds like this could use better sources, and perhaps a title change, but clear consensus to keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Mehtab Singh Grewal

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His existence appears to be based on a reference in a single article under a variant name, and a claim in a recently-deleted article that this person was the great great grandfather (cited only to that subect's own web page). Article does not appear to exist in his native language wikipedia. Scott Davis Talk 23:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:POLITICIAN. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:POLITICIAN and rename the article to Mehtab Singh per WP:COMMONNAME. This article from Tribune in 2004 which has a decent coverage of the subject and states that he was a "Home Minister" of this princely state, which in itself is enough for notability. (Note: please do ctrl+f "Mehtab" for the article since the Tribune site has a large page.) The person is a popular figure with geographical places named after him in Nabha, and statues are being erected almost a century later shows that it also passes WP:LASTING. I did not even dig into the history books, cause these 2 are sufficient reasons for me to keep this. Scott Davis, I understand this was a tough one, the full name might have made it even harder for you. None of the 2 sources mention about the title "Grewal", so it should be dropped from the article title following common name, even if Grewal is a part of his full name. I have also removed the line "He is the great great grandfather of Samraat Joshua Grewal" + other promo stuff that appears to have been added here to save the promo article "Samraat Joshua Grewal" that in spite of the author's extreme efforts, got deleted recently. The site christianyouth.co which is far from reliable didn't even mention the said text.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This article was created by the same author as the great grandson's now-deleted page, and who added the great-grandson bit here (which pops out in the referenced page if you click on his picture, but it's WP:SELFPUB anyway). All of his/her edits appear related to that topic, there is no interwiki link to Hindi or Punjabi articles about this person, and few inbound links, hence my doubts of his existence and importance. --Scott Davis Talk 00:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


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 * I agree that information about the subject's non-notable descendant doesn't belong here. Including it would give it undue weight. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passed WP:NPOL as home minister. Icewhiz (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment' I am a bit concerned that the guy is described as "home minister"  (scare quotes as per the source) and that the information in the source seems to come from his descendants. Indian politicians and news media are often overly enthusiastic to accept what people say in such circumstances. Are there no book-ish sources? And was it a genuine state or was it one of the thousands of zamindari-type things that descendants of former owners like to call states? If it was the latter, "home minister" would be more like "land agent" or "estate manager" anywhere else in the world. - Sitush (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see it was a reasonably-sized place. So was he actually a home minister? I still think some independent sources would be better. - Sitush (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC) Struck to !vote - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Sitush please take a look at this book. The Panjab chiefs, historical and biographical notices, which mentions Mehtab Singh along with Raja Hira Singh. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  18:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - difficult to source further in English but it does look like he had some notable achievements on behalf of the state, whatever his working title may have been. Eg: introducing the mandis. (The book that DBigXray noted isn't usually considered to be reliable, so I haven't looked at that.) - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Better sourcing would be nice and clearer discussion and a better article on the state he was minister of. He was a leading figure in the government of a state, that is default sign of notability, period. As long as this is not a hoax we keep the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


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