Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meiosis XY Female Syndrome


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 11:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Meiosis XY Female Syndrome

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Possible hoax or misunderstanding; source cited does not seem to support text of article. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G3. Blatant hoax. Only Google hit is for this page. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This may well be a hoax, but the physician mentioned does exist. Cullen328 (talk) 03:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not a hoax. Wikipedia has a page on xx male syndrome as well as on AIS. Meosis Xy female syndrome exists. Reach Charmian Quigley. It is a fact of genetics that this phenomenon occurs in nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transsexual Queen (talk • contribs) 15:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * What are your sources? We don't have articles here without verifiable reliable sources. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Verifability, not truth, is the threshold for inclusion. Being a "fact of genetics" does not qualify for inclusion without a reliable source saying so. And a Google search for the subject as titled turns up one hit, the article in question and no more. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 22:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think this is a hoax, but I'm also not convinced that this isn't a misnomer for something covered elsewhere, at eg: Swyer syndrome or Androgen insensitivity syndrome. I can find some refs for "XY Female Syndrome" but zero for "Meiosis XY Female Syndrome". Still waiting on improved refs. Hairhorn (talk) 19:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Delete target can't be determined seems likely that it's a misnomer.  Falcon8765  (T ALK ) 22:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * To what? If it's a misnomer, what's it a misnomer for?  The closing administrator is not clairvoyant.  You need to determine what you think this should redirect to. Uncle G (talk) 11:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I observe that despite two requests, here and on the article's talk page, Transsexual Queen has not supplied the page numbers of the book that is purportedly the supporting source here. Checking some of Quigley's actual work, such as xyr article in Principles of molecular medicine (Humana Press, 2006), I find no mention of this syndrome at all, but, as Hairhorn notes, mention of 46,XY pseudohermaphroditism (one of several types of pseudohermaphroditism that Quigley mentions) as Swyer syndrome.  There's no evidence from Quigley at least, contrary to what is set out in this article and asserted above, that this is an alternative name for that. Uncle G (talk) 11:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:02, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:V.  Unless the article content can be verified, I believe in this situation that the article should be deleted.  -- Ed (Edgar181) 14:26, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Closest syndrome is probably Swyer syndrome or pure gonadal dysgenesis as noted above. This review article and this review article look at a number of XY female syndromes (and no other searches on a quick review of Pubmed using "XY female" came up with much else). Swyer syndrome comes closest to the description with normal genitals, fallopian tubes, uterus, tall stature but they have gonadal dysgenesis and therefore cannot menstruate which does not match the description of the AFD'd article.Yobol (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, seems to be an unverifiable entity. -- Scray (talk) 05:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I did a little digging in the literature and there seems to be at least one documented case of this genotype/phenotype combination in humans: . A more useful article could be XY sex reversal, discussing XY female syndromes in a broader context. --WS (talk) 10:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to Swyer syndrome. I cannot find any evidence that "Meiosis XY Female Syndrome" exists in the scientific literature (e.g. PubMed search). I do not have the book being cited here, but it looks like the symptoms mentioned are closest to the Swyer symptoms. This article looks like it may be attempting to describe the mechanism that causes Swyer syndrome, so I believe that the two are related. WTF? (talk) 03:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's completely unsourced and right now, doesn't look like it can be. I've personally never heard of this, FWIW - the nearest thing I can think of is XY gonadal dysgenesis, as others have pointed out, but even that doesn't fit right. Technically, it should be possible for a mutation of CBX2 to manifest in this way by inhibiting SRY (see here) but it's unheard of in the medical community from what I can see. There's just that one journal reference. And I'm not sure of the significance of having meiosis in the name. All of the journal references I see talk about 'XY gonadal dysgenesis' - A l is o n  ❤ 03:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And disregard the effects of CBX2, since the article mentions "unequal crossing over between y and x chromosomes". Also, mention of missing SRY in the article is clearly Turner syndrome - A l is o n  ❤ 03:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, if it's undocumented by the medical establishment because it's too new or whatev, we still can't write about it - A l is o n  ❤ 03:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.