Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mel (Ian Mellish)


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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 20:53, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Mel (Ian Mellish)

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Biography of a non-notable musician with no sources. Fails WP:BIO, WP:V and WP:RS. The only references I can find are these two which just confirm that the subject exists. All of his albums are published by a very small record label (Red Wharf), which I've also nominated for deletion. Pburka (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I put this entry up originally and I strongly disgaree with the suggestion to delete this composer. Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion seem to me to be somewhat diffcult to comply with fully in the case of experimental classical composers, who do not have the volume of sales or media attention that "pop" composers enjoy. Would Conlon Nancarrow or Harry Partch, in the middle of their careers have qualified for entry? According to strict use of Wikipedia criteria almost certainly not, but it would be absurd to argue that they were not very significant figures already by that point.
 * Keep

That is the case here: Mel is a significant figure in the field of experimental electronic music but has a more limited public profile than many musicians. Apart from his own CDs, he has one composition on an early Icebreaker (Icebreaker (band)) album and a remix on a later one. He has a significant list of public performances by a variety of ensembles, despite being primarily an electronic musician, and is very highly regarded within his field. I concede that the entry as it stands falls foul of WP:V, but it should be improved by adding in appropriate references and it is my intention to improve the article accordingly. Jamespoke (talk) 00:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I do not agree this is a "non-notable musician". I have enjoyed his music several times in concerts. I am grateful to wikipedia for providing information on relatively obscure artists so strongly suggest the entry on Mellish be retained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobgilmore43 (talk • contribs)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Unless relevant, third-party sources can be found, this artist is not notable as per WP:ARTIST. - SudoGhost (talk) 08:36, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to re-creating the article if independent reliable sources can be found. If the composer is most often known as "Mel", he will be difficult to Google because that name is quite common. Therefore, the supporters of this article should look for sources themselves, and add them to the article now if they find them now, or re-create the article later if they find proper sources later. It should be noted that the music notability criteria do allow for notability of musicians who are not part of the mainstream commercial music business if they are the subject of coverage in reliable sources. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:24, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.