Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melanie Barnett


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of The Game characters. Consensus has formed thanks to Jclemens' suggestion. All the character articles can be merged to the yet-to-be-created List of The Game characters. Fences &amp;  Windows  03:53, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Melanie Barnett

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Delete or redirect - Since redirecting these article hasn't seemed to stick, I'm bringing 'em all here for an official consensus. There are no independent sources supporting the notability of the character(s) per WP:FICTION. I think whatever is mentioned in this article can be easily added to the characters' description in the main article. I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons.  Pinkadelica ♣  20:07, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Game (U.S. TV series) . No assertion of notability substantiated by citations to multiple third-party sources. --EEMIV (talk) 23:22, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge substantially. I see no good reason for saying the redirect didnt stick when there was no attempt to discuss it of the talk p. for the article or the redirect target,  which is required by BRD, and is the way to get a consensus on challenged edits.  That was not a good faith attempt to redirect, because it did not even try to follow the very basic policy  of getting consensus for disputed edits.  But better here than a revert war.   These seem to be the major characters in the series, and the series a major one. Even so, I would have no difficult about merging and redirecting to a proper combination article, but the article they were redirected to is The Game (U.S. TV series); this article contains one paragraph on the first character, and one or two sentences  about the others, in a section marked "cast" ; this seems to me an attempt to extend the film wikiProjects destructive guidelines which do not have general consensus onto another medium. The general consensus on fiction is unsettled, but almost everyone seem to think that characters as such deserve a separate section or sometimes an article, and that major characters require some degree of more extensive treatment--and that this should extend to all media. The lack of consensus is whether there should or should not be separate articles, and this could be settled very easily by some random process, which would be better than a 3 year discussion that has never come to a conclusion. I do not know if I can speak for all those who want to be relatively inclusive on fiction, but I hope they would all accept combination articles if they contained full content.   Destructive merges or redirects such as this are inappropriate and will destroy all consensus. At present, the only way of preventing such radically improper editing (editing without consensus at the article, for good measure) is to keep separate articles. AfD can do that, though it does not have the power to enforce standards of merges.    DGG ( talk ) 23:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment With all due respect, I was not the one who originally redirected the articles (save for "Latasha "Tasha" Mack" because it was created after "Tasha Mack") with no consensus. I happen to agree with the redirects because of my original rationale and reverted them back once after an IP seemingly undid the changes of a few redirects the original redirecting editor made (sans an edit summary) to these and a few other articles. I brought all the articles here once what appears to be another unrelated editor did the exact same thing in an effort to gain a consensus to avoid this mess every few days. The talk pages do work two ways.  Pinkadelica ♣  01:29, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I know you weren't the first. WP:BRD says that if someone make a bold change like a redirect, & it's reverted, it should  be discussed & consensus obtained before making the same change again.  I am perfectly willing to agree that you did it thinking it was the best solution and that it might prove acceptable. Coming here instead of  continuing reverting isn't as good as discussion would have been, but it is much better than edit warring & I commend you for doing so.    DGG ( talk ) 04:11, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment has anyone suggested merging to form a List of The Game characters article? List of characters from notable fictional franchises seem to be the preferred way to deal with marginally notable characters. Jclemens (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep all Notable characters for a notable show.  Too much information to fit in one main article, so no reason not to split it up like this.  Merging it would lead to destruction of valid information some would find interesting to read.  And those who aren't interested in it, won't find their way to these articles anyway.   D r e a m Focus  06:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I think Jclemens's suggestion actually makes the most sense. Some of the content in the articles is valid and notable, but I still don't see the reason for separate articles for each character. I think creating a "List of" article is possibly the best solution.  Pinkadelica ♣  07:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge relevent information to List of The Game characters. Not notable enough to justify separate article, and more helpful for information to be displayed in a list. Quantpole (talk) 14:40, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of The Game characters. Edward321 (talk) 02:56, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.