Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melanie Faye


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) w umbolo   ^^^  10:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Melanie Faye

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Appears to have a lack of reliable well-respected media outlet references to satisfy WP:NMUSIC. Although there is one that I saw, it primarily consists of quotes from the subject. A preliminary WP:BEFORE didn't seem to unearth much more. Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  16:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - Maybe not well-respected for those who don't respect online-only sources, but I found several of the sources included to be reliable. Here are a few more new ones:, , ~Kvng (talk) 16:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -She Shreds is well-respected - it' the only print magazine that covers female guitarists specifically - and a cover is significant. The Tennessean is a lengthy article in Nashville's major daily, and while the Fader article may not be extensive, it's extensive enough. JSFarman (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:57, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 10:58, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete After checking for further sources on this person I can't find anything that would meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Its worth noting that this article was mentioned here at WP:WPWIR, which may explain why some are so keen to keep it. WCM email 14:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's an automatically-generated alert list. Many wikiprojects have this feature. An AfD of an article associated with a wikikiproject is likely to be mentioned in this way. So, no, this is not worth noting. ~Kvng (talk) 01:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Some extensive coverage in She Shreds and The Tenessean, plus The Fader and Stereogum, and assorted more trivial mentions. --tronvillain (talk) 23:08, 8 August 2018 (UTC); edited 15:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't say I'm a subject expert, but according to She Shred's about us section: "She Shreds Magazine is the world’s only print publication dedicated to women guitarists and bassists.", I can't see how this is not considered a niche source. Regarding The Tenessean reference, a great majority of the article is quotes from the subject, constituting a primary source and not coverage about the subject. Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ ) talk  16:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing an exemption listed for "niche" in WP:NMUSIC after "This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries", and the same would seem to apply to The Tenessean piece. Is there even a definition of "niche" anywhere in the guidelines? It's not obviously questionable or self-published. --tronvillain (talk) 16:46, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "She Shreads" may need a source review. While some editors here are vouching for it's niche significance, researching their website reveals a young publication that just barely clears the hurdle beyond amateur. They solicit content here: http://sheshredsmag.com/about/contribute/ and also go as far as plead for people to help distribute the magazine. For these reasons, to my mind, this just doesn't register as significant, even for a niche. But tronvillain (talk) is right: being a niche source doesn't preclude it from being acceptable. ShelbyMarion (talk) 19:04, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly, although I'd like to make clear that 's quote of policy is subbed under a bullet saying Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. (emphasis my own). put into words my concern about it being a reliable source. Given that the only other reliable source (I could find), is content from the subject as opposed to about the subject, is what motivated me to nominate this. Drewmutt ( ^ᴥ^ )  talk  20:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, we could try the reliable sources noticeboard, but it's not obviously an unreliable source for this type of content. --tronvillain (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 11:57, 11 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. More substantive analysis of the sources presented would be useful in determining consensus.
 * Delete. This is basically promotionalism No major substantial coverage, or awards.  DGG ( talk ) 01:56, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'll elaborate more from where the above editor's re-list comment leaves off. This is an article created by an SPA editor about an up and coming guitar prodigy with a growing instagram following based on amazing social media performances. While she has managed to get some press, AfD emphasizes that notability may be established by reliable sources, but it’s not automatic. To point out coverage for the sake of coverage misses the point; beyond the hype this subject hasn’t actually accomplished anything yet. Nothing released. No sales. No tours. (In a recent interview she says she is currently recording her first EP and planning her first tour. At best, this qualifies as WP:TOOSOON) As pointed out in previous comments, the sources mostly are the subject talking about her aspirations. This wiki article attempts to prop this subject up with name drops and puffery, such as the sentence, quote: “…was chosen by Fender to demo the Player Series..” is linked to 2 sources: one doesn’t even mention her (instead it uses a photo of her to illustrate the article) and in the other is merely name-checked as an up-and-commer. (Aside: someone edited the references to show that a blog (Stereogum) is owned by Billboard/Hollywood Reporter parent company as if to confer more importance to it. It is still a blog, reflecting an unmonitored opinion rather than editorial oversight.) To be one of numerous people to perform at a industry trade show (NAMM), or having notable musicians/celebs make note of her talent, or being on the cover of a minor quasi-amateur niche publication (She Shreds) are not encyclopedic accomplishments. No prejudice against recreating if her career properly takes off. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (talk) 10:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep – She passes WP:ANYBIO because she received significant attention for the viral Instagram video. She is notable for more than one event as she has performed on several shows and went viral (passes WP:BLP1E and WP:N). Pretty sure this is enough. Redditaddict69 12:50, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - having looked at the sources in the article and searched further myself (e.g., there are enough secondary sources discussing her directly to establish notability. Ross-c (talk) 13:46, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: the subject is getting mainstream coverage, such as Nashville guitarist Melanie Faye making her own way, sound in music industry, The Tennesian. Not the greatest claim to notability, but would suffice. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:25, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have improved the article some, found and added content and sources, and cleaned up the article. Also, the article has been linked and is no longer an orphan. There has been continual national media and feature coverage, including from the Billboard-Hollywood Reporter Media Group, plus Los Angeles Magazine and the Tennessean. The Fender corporation's choice of the subject as its promotional person for a new line of affordable Fender guitars also adds to the subject's notability. Clearly meets notability guidelines and WP:BIO and WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 20:23, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


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