Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melissa Kremer


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The result was no consensus.  JGHowes   talk  01:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Melissa Kremer

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Delete – Cancer kids/mums/brides may be of interest to the tabloid media, but they're not notable for inclusion in an encyclopaedia in their own right. Yes, there are some RSs which cover her but they do not indicate notability, just a tragic case of somebody who is sick and has received media attention in the process. Doesn't have a page on her native language Wiki and the first results which come up on Google are actually her socials – Instagram and LinkedIn. I think that just about summarises the lack of notability here. --Jkaharper (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 19:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Being a leukemia patient is not in itself notable. If she was an established writer of broad experience and depth, she might be considered notable in that respect, but her writing credentials are sadly slim and focus on her battle with the disease. Blanket coverage by the media, as ever, is not a sign of automatic notability. Ref (chew) (do) 19:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Shee meets WP:GNG, with coverage of her in the main national Dutch news sources, also before her death. Could be expanded easily (6440 hits at Google News). She is also a writer of a bestseller book. I don't know other examples where a person with cancer had such broad coverage in the media and who also had something notable as a bestseller book. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – The vast majority of those Google News hits are about Melissa Kremer, a senior executive of Target Corporation, who is a totally different person altogether. --Jkaharper (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - You keep mentioning the cancer/leukemia, as if it's some badge of notability. It just is not. It's an unfortunate and disastrous life event which happens to way too many people - and the vast majority of those people do not inhabit the pages of Wikipedia by way of article. If they do, they have something more tangible in their résumés or their life accomplishments. Ref (chew) (do) 20:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Rusted AutoParts  21:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC).
 * I removed the strikethrough. User:Rusted AutoParts did NOT !vote twice. He shared some thoughts about my opinion. I will add indent to that comment, so this error is not made twice. gidonb (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rest in peace though. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, though I eco GhostDestroyer100's sentiments. Subject still seems to fail WP:GNG. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 01:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, although it may need to be improved. Being a leukemia patient does not make anyone notable, but writing a best selling book and a frequently visited blog about her illness does make her notable. And that notability is why her sad passing was covered in reliable media. 2001:1C00:180D:8D00:D8AA:F81F:8206:CDEE (talk) 12:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment – Thousands of people who do not have Wiki pages have had a "best" selling book of some degree. The question is, what does "best" selling mean? Top 200? Top 500? Best selling on Amazon in the Netherlands on one particular day? It hasn't been properly defined, and unless somebody can provide reasonable evidence to this claim, it remains the case that she's clearly not notable enough for her own page. --Jkaharper (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * "Thousands of people who do not have Wiki pages have had a "best" selling book of some degree." Isn't this an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument? Argumentation here should be about the author, not about potential other people and their notability! Such distractions often attempt to hide a lack of a case. gidonb (talk) 00:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Author easily passes the WP:GNG. All delete opinions here fall under WP:IDONTLIKEIT and should be totally discounted as such. How in the hell could this have happened? It seems that people were side-tracked by Melissa Kremer being a leukemia victim and forgot to examine the facts objectively. Only one delete supporter also claims that the late author fails the GNG. Not in a million years! gidonb (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a very obnoxious attempt to discredit other people's input. Rusted AutoParts  02:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As the holder of THEN a minority opinion, it was totally called for to explain why I reached different conclusions than others. Nothing obnoxious about it. The intro is rooted in emotion and stereotypes, not in policy or the article. By pointing this out, folks can rethink stances and arguments. It's my service for WP. gidonb (talk) 03:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Best selling author. Lots of press coverage. pburka (talk) 11:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I am having a hard time finding any evidence that her book was a best seller. I will admit I don't speak Dutch, but all the articles I have machine translated seem just to cover her death, one mentions her book which was a collection of her social media postings. The best selling author portion of the article is only linked to an article that mentions her book never do I see it say best selling or "unparalleled". McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 13:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * See here for example. SportsOlympic (talk) 21:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi McMatter, thanks for asking. It was and is in the title and quote of the reference that I had added right after the phrase. I'll add translations to make it easier to find. gidonb (talk) 00:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep My search also found several references in non-english works, definitely meets WP:GNG. Why people are using AFD as a weapon? VocalIndia (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Extensive coverage in secondary sources.--Ipigott (talk) 10:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete mainly famous for being terminally ill. That would set a bad record, every terminally ill patient who appears on TV and writes books would have a page here. Thousands.--Folengo (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2021
 * Comment. Lots of WP:RS and WP:V coverage does contribute towards notability, while being a leukemia patient does not preclude one from being notable. That would be discriminating. Kremer was a creative individual who wrote, spoke, and video blogged. She gained national (not local or regional!) fame and put a disease on the national agenda. Unfortunately, the role of women in society is often discounted. They will get compared to brides and "mums", we are being horrified repetitively that there could be more of their sort (oh no!), while their profession, actions and WP:RS are NOT the focus of the discussion. gidonb (talk) 18:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


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